[Bug 223591] New: Different font rendering for various types of programs
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 Summary: Different font rendering for various types of programs Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: RC 1 Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Basesystem AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: ma2412ma@hotmail.com QAContact: qa@suse.de In openSUSE 10.2, the font rendering is not consistent at all. There are at least 3 different behaviours. KDE programs, GNOME programs and OpenOffice.org all render their fonts (e.g. in the menus) differently. Clearly, OOo looks very different from the rest, but there's also a slight difference between GNOME and KDE programs (which is nevertheless annoying). Maybe every library has a different dpi resolution? I know that this can look much better, Kubuntu is an example where all mentioned programs look the same. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #1 from ma2412ma@hotmail.com 2006-11-24 04:22 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=106820) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=106820&action=view)
From top to bottom: Firefox, GIMP, Konqueror, OOo
Different font rendering for Firefox, GIMP, Konqueror and OOo. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 chrubis@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE ------- Comment #2 from chrubis@novell.com 2006-11-24 07:00 MST ------- See comment #25 of bug #118131 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 118131 *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ma2412ma@hotmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|DUPLICATE | ------- Comment #3 from ma2412ma@hotmail.com 2006-11-24 07:10 MST ------- I know the bug with OOo - but this report is not only about OOo, but also about Firefox and GTK apps that look different from KDE programs (isn't FF itself a GTK app? Strange that it look different from other GTK programs like GIMP then). It has nothing to do with not being able to change the font hinting! This only applies to OOo, where they allegedly can't do this because it would change the document structure (although I don't agree with this statement). Then at least GTK apps and FF should use the same fonts like KDE apps. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #4 from ma2412ma@hotmail.com 2006-11-24 07:18 MST ------- Moreover, bug #118131 is for SUSE 10.0 - I can't add any comments, could someone move it over to openSUSE 10.2? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |mfabian@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | Status|REOPENED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #5 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 07:13 MST ------- I moved bug #118131 to openSUSE 10.2. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED ------- Comment #6 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 07:27 MST ------- I cannot reproduce any difference in rendering in the menus between Konqueror and Firefox running on a KDE desktop. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #7 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 08:38 MST ------- There are no differences by default, but there can be differences after doing something like this: - start kde session - start some kde and some gnome programs and firefox. (they will use the dpi value from the X-server now) - start gnome-font-properties and change the dpi - the changed dpi will be effective in all gnome programs immediately (see comment #13 in bug #193095: "GNOME stores the font options in GConf. Apps call cairo_set_font_options() dynamically when the GConf values get changed from the control center.") - the changed dpi will not be immediately effective neither in firefox nor in the KDE programs. - newly started firefox and KDE programs will see the changes as well because after changing the dpi with gnome-font-properties, the changed will be in the Xft.dpi X-Resource: mfabian@magellan:~$ xrdb -query | grep Xft Xft.antialias: 0 Xft.dpi: 69.000000 Xft.hinting: 1 Xft.hintstyle: hintfull Xft.rgba: none mfabian@magellan:~$ - restart your KDE session. - Now firefox, the KDE programs and all the GNOME programs will use the dpi from the X-server again because KDE sets the following default values for the Xft.* X-resources: mfabian@magellan:~$ xrdb -query | grep Xft Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.hinting: 1 Xft.hintstyle: hintfull Xft.rgba: none mfabian@magellan:~$ (KDE doesn't know that gconf has a changed dpi value) - start gnome-font-properties again: as soon as the gnome-font-properties window pops up the dpi value from gconf is applied to all gnome applications (but not to firefox and the KDE applications). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #8 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 08:57 MST ------- Similar problems happen for other settings like anti-aliasing for example. If you switch off anti-aliasing in gnome-font-properties, it will immediately have an effect on all Gnome applications, but not on KDE applications. And even restarted KDE applications will not get this change if the anti-alias setting has been saved once with kcontrol. Because saving the anti-alias set to true with kcontrol will insert a rule like <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="antialias" > <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> into ~/.fonts.conf which takes precedence over the X-resources But Gnome programs will nevertheless use the anti-alias setting from gconf. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |llunak@novell.com ------- Comment #9 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 09:00 MST ------- This bug is a similar interoperability problem as reported in bug #193095. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #10 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 09:05 MST ------- This problem is not so easy to solve. Until then you can use the following workaround: Find out what dpi is set in the X-server: mfabian@magellan:~$ xdpyinfo| grep resolution resolution: 98x98 dots per inch mfabian@magellan:~$ If this is not correct, fix the value of DisplaySize in xorg.conf: mfabian@magellan:~$ grep DisplaySize /etc/X11/xorg.conf DisplaySize 430 270 mfabian@magellan:~$ Now set the same dpi in gnome-font-properties. Also make sure that the other settings like anti-aliasing, sub-pixel-hinting, ... are the same in the KDE control centre and in gnome-font-properties. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 ------- Comment #11 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 09:15 MST ------- I think A part of the problem reported here has already been solved by solving bug #217790. If you already have the fix for bug #217790, at least the default dpi should be the same for Gnome and KDE. But as soon as you change it in gnome-font-properties, the problem appears again. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Basesystem |Basesystem Product|openSUSE 10.2 |openSUSE 10.3 Version|RC 1 |Alpha 1 ------- Comment #12 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-27 09:18 MST ------- I reassign this bug to federico@ximian.com for the gnome part (I've added mmeeks@novell.com to the CC for the OpenOffice part). And I move this bug to openSUSE 10.3 because we won't fix this for the current release anymore. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|mfabian@novell.com |federico@ximian.com Status|ASSIGNED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blocks| |338002 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User jpr@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c13 JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |meicks@suse.de --- Comment #13 from JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> 2008-01-31 13:36:39 MST --- *** Bug 64686 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=64686 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User federico@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c14 --- Comment #14 from Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> 2008-06-02 07:56:09 MDT --- It looks like upstream already did part of the work for us: http://mces.blogspot.com/2008/06/online-font-installation.html Gnome-settings-daemon should now be reading ~/.fonts.conf and monitoring it for changes. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c15 Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mfabian@novell.com --- Comment #15 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2008-06-03 04:40:18 MDT --- This sounds great! I think having all user settings concerning fonthinting in ~/.fonts.conf is the way to go. Gnome, KDE3/4, ... should all observe changes to ~/.fonts.conf and when changing settings with a GUI read in the existing settings from ~/.fonts.conf and preserve the settings which were not changed in the GUI. This way we can get consistent font settings for the different desktops and have changes made in one desktop apply automatically to the other desktops as well. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User mmeeks@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c16 Michael Meeks <mmeeks@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |tbehrens@novell.com --- Comment #16 from Michael Meeks <mmeeks@novell.com> 2008-06-03 05:50:27 MDT --- Ah; the rumour is that Caolan did some work to use Cairo for rendering fonts in OO.o document, such that we re-use all the same desktop hints for OO.o as for the rest of the desktop. Rumour has it that this even doesn't break metrics ;-) Thorsten was looking at getting this into our builds I believe. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User tbehrens@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c17 --- Comment #17 from Thorsten Behrens <tbehrens@novell.com> 2008-06-03 08:41:33 MDT --- Ah, yep, that's in trunk ooo-build since ~a month (coming from m5 upstream). FcConfigSubstitute is used to forward the options to cairo, so it _should_ work now. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User tbehrens@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c18 --- Comment #18 from Thorsten Behrens <tbehrens@novell.com> 2008-06-03 10:15:48 MDT --- It didn't, thx Michael for the hint. Now enabled for OOo trunk. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591#c19 --- Comment #19 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2008-06-06 04:41:54 MDT --- Does this mean it is in openSUSE 11.0 already? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 Stephan Binner <stbinner@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Basesystem |X11 Applications -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223591 Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Major Priority|P5 - None |P2 - High -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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