[Bug 790902] New: Some mails from hermes are missing Message-Ids
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c0 Summary: Some mails from hermes are missing Message-Ids Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE.org Version: unspecified Platform: All OS/Version: SUSE Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Hermes AssignedTo: roland.haidl@suse.com ReportedBy: werner@suse.com QAContact: adrian@suse.com Found By: Development Blocker: --- this triggers SPAM filters like junkfilter with: X-Spammer: [3: Message-Id added after initial transmission] please enforce the usage of a Message-Id for every messages. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c1 --- Comment #1 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-11-22 12:45:30 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=514147) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=514147) mbox This is message where the Mesage-Id was added *after* transmission by MTA running on dhl.suse.de. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c2 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Critical --- Comment #2 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-11-27 17:26:34 UTC --- Just detected a further mail in the SPAM trash folder. Please fix this broken behaviour! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c3 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P1 - Urgent --- Comment #3 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-12-17 13:11:00 UTC --- Next mail found in SPAM trash folder found: X-Spammer: [3: Message-Id added after initial transmission] also from dimstar@opensuse.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c4 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |adrian@suse.com --- Comment #4 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-12-20 08:36:35 UTC --- Next mail in SPAM filter, all mails are from dimstar@opensuse.org and send by the openSUSE Notification System. I'm reset the assignee as this bug seems not to be fixed by the current person. @Adrian: Who is responsible for the openSUSE Notification System and is able to fix this bug? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c5 Adrian Schröter <adrian@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW InfoProvider|adrian@suse.com | AssignedTo|roland.haidl@suse.com |cwh@suse.com --- Comment #5 from Adrian Schröter <adrian@suse.com> 2012-12-20 08:59:39 UTC --- IIRC Christopher wanted to look into hermes issues. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c6 Christopher Hofmann <cwh@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P1 - Urgent |P3 - Medium Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |werner@suse.com Severity|Critical |Normal --- Comment #6 from Christopher Hofmann <cwh@suse.com> 2013-01-07 15:29:51 UTC --- Hermes does not set the Message-Id - this is done by the MTA running on the same machine. This assures the uniquenes of the Message-Id. So where is defined that the Message-Id may not be set after initial transmission? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c7 Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |coolo@suse.com --- Comment #7 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> 2013-01-07 17:19:44 CET --- please note that junkfilter is out of maintenance since 2003. So you need to look at standards of last decade :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c8 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW InfoProvider|werner@suse.com | --- Comment #8 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2013-01-08 07:54:07 UTC --- (In reply to comment #6) RFC2822, RFC1036 (RFC822), RFC841(RFC806), RFC724 Most spammers ignore RFC2822 and bank on the fact that the next MTA in the mail route will add a unique Message-Id if missed. (In reply to comment #7) Even if, its written in procmail and this version of junkfilter is heavily modified by my own. Maybe I should add an exception for the procmail rule in junkfilter.three -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c9 --- Comment #9 from Christopher Hofmann <cwh@suse.com> 2013-01-08 10:21:02 UTC --- RFC2822 is obsoleted by RFC5322 and just states: "Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field." Not who and when it has to be created. RFC1036 is about Usenet news. RFC841 and RFC806 define it as optional - also with no definition when it has to be created. RFC724 is obsoleted and finally an ancestor of RFC5322. How does your junkfilter know when the Message-Id has been added? But to make it short: The is a request to let messages appear threaded. Therefore we need to generate Message-Ids within Hermes. As soon as this will be approached your bug will be fixed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c10 --- Comment #10 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2013-01-08 10:33:26 UTC --- (In reply to comment #9)
How does your junkfilter know when the Message-Id has been added?
by using this rule: # Message-ID added by an enroute or local mail machine :0 * $ ^Message-Id:[ ]+<.*@([-_a-z0-9]+\.)*$JFMAILDOM> * ^From:.*@ * $! ^From:.*@([-_a-z0-9]+\.)*$JFMAILDOM * $ 1^1 ^Received:.*from * $ -1^1 ^Received:.*from.*\(([-_a-z0-9]+\.)*$JFMAILDOM\> { JFMATCH="$JFSEC: Message-Id added after initial transmission" INCLUDERC=$JFDIR/junkfilter.match } with JFMAILDOM equal to e.g. suse\.[a-z]+ as this makes sure that no spammer has stolen on of our id's I've enabled this as a lot of spams had included faked message id's in past. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c11 --- Comment #11 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> 2013-01-08 13:20:20 CET --- but hermes is within suse.de, so it's perfectly fine that hermes' MTA generates suse.de message ids. So your procmail rule is simply invalid. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c12 --- Comment #12 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2013-01-08 12:33:56 UTC --- (In reply to comment #11) The rules matchs for .*suse\.[a-z]+ that includes opensuse.org and this is exactly what I'd like to catch: spam mails which masquerades as e.g. opensuse.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c13 --- Comment #13 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.com> 2013-01-08 14:39:41 CET --- possible, but you're doing it wrong. Because hermes mails have as first received: Received: by dhl.suse.de (Postfix, from userid 106) id B0701B031C; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 13:32:46 +0100 (CET) And the Message-Id is @dhl.suse.de, so the mail is perfectly legit that userid 106 uses /usr/lib/sendmail and relies on local MTA to add the Message-Id. I don't speak procmail, but I assume your rules can't cope with the fact that the mails are generated within suse.de but are From: dimstar@opensuse.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790902#c14 Christopher Hofmann <cwh@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #14 from Christopher Hofmann <cwh@suse.com> 2013-02-04 12:14:33 UTC --- The solution for this will be to implement handling of message IDs in hermes. This also has to be done to solve bug #693869. So I'll difine this as a duplicate bug. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 693869 *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693869 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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