[Bug 274986] New: DajaVu Sans: "ft" and "rt" need more spacing
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 Summary: DajaVu Sans: "ft" and "rt" need more spacing Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Final Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Other AssignedTo: mfabian@novell.com ReportedBy: suse-beta@cboltz.de QAContact: qa@suse.de In the fonts DejaVu Sans (tested Book and Bold), "ft" and "rt" need more spacing. See the attached PDF file, created with scribus (the problem is reproducable in more applications, just tested in KWord). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #1 from suse-beta@cboltz.de 2007-05-15 16:37 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=140246) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=140246&action=view) PDF showing the spacing problem -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |coolo@novell.com Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|DajaVu Sans: "ft" and "rt" |DejaVu Sans: "ft" and "rt" need more spacing |need more spacing | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #2 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-16 09:44 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=140502) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=140502&action=view) ftview.png screen shots created with "ftview" with command lines like ftview -m "saftig Sorte" -r 96 52 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/DejaVuSans.ttf for "DejaVu Sans", "Albany AMT", "Verdana", and "Segoe UI". Shows that it looks very similar in several other fonts. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #3 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-16 09:53 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=140508) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=140508&action=view) ftstring-kerning-modes.png screen shots created with ftstring -m "saftig Sorte" -r 96 52 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/DejaVuSans.ttf & and then toggling through the kerning modes with 'k'. Shows that the 'ft' becomes even narrower when freetype2 uses the kerning. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #4 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-16 10:53 MST ------- I've update the dejavu package to 2.17, see http://software.opensuse.org/download/M17N As expected this doesn't make any difference. I'm not sure, but I think this spacing might be done on purpose like that because there are other fonts which have the same “Problem” (comment #2) and using the kerning makes the effect stronger. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #5 from suse-beta@cboltz.de 2007-05-17 13:07 MST ------- (In reply to comment #4)
I'm not sure, but I think this spacing might be done on purpose like that because there are other fonts which have the same “Problem” (comment #2) and using the kerning makes the effect stronger.
Or they all share the same bug and nobody noticed it yet ;-) (it doesn't really hurt in long texts, but it looks bad in headlines with large font size) Maybe you should simply ask the DejaVu designers if this letter spacing is intentional... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #6 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-25 09:37 MST ------- I now asked whether this in intentional or not in the upstream bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11061 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 ------- Comment #7 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-29 03:35 MST ------- Response by the DejaVu developer Denis Jacquerye: ------- Comment #1 From Denis Jacquerye 2007-05-26 01:12:04 PST [reply] ------- In Sans Book "ft" has kerning -36, "rt" has no kerning. In Sans Bold there is not special kerning for either. These come from Bitstream Vera Sans and were not modified. Kerning mode in freetype 2 looks like a bug. https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=140508&action=view Although some might say this is fine since it makes "ft" look like a ligature and "rt" doesn't seem to be affected. When looking at kerning you have to consider the volume between the glyphs, not just the space between their ends. For example, look at the space between the stems of "ft" in comparison with the space with the right stem of 'a' or the stem of 'i'. Some fonts actually have a ligature for "ft". All the sans serif fonts I've seen have "ft" and "rt" in a similar manner. Closing as this is not a bug but a feature. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274986 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Comment #8 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-05-29 03:36 MST ------- Closing bug as invalid according to the last comment. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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