[Bug 341533] New: 10. 3 distro repository should be added as well as updates repository
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533 Summary: 10.3 distro repository should be added as well as updates repository Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Final Platform: Other OS/Version: openSUSE 10.3 Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: federico@novell.com QAContact: jsrain@novell.com Found By: Development If I turn on online update in the installer, these repositories get added: - the one from the DVD - http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3/ However the normal distro repository doesn't get added: - http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/ The result is that when I want to "zypper install somepackage", it fails because the distro repository is not configured, *and* I no longer have the installation DVD in the drive :) I think the distro repository should be added by default. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c1 Benjamin Weber <benji.weber@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |benji.weber@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Benjamin Weber <benji.weber@gmail.com> 2007-11-13 19:05:28 MST --- N.B. it is added if you "include online repositories" at the start of installation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c2 --- Comment #2 from Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> 2007-11-14 15:56:20 MST --- Oh, ok... then it's probably just a bad default. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533 Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |yast2-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c3 Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |tgoettlicher@novell.com AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jdsn@novell.com --- Comment #3 from Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher@novell.com> 2007-11-16 10:56:28 MST --- Daniel, is the normal distro repo added by the registration module? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c4 J. Daniel Schmidt <jdsn@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jdsn@novell.com AssignedTo|jdsn@novell.com |lslezak@novell.com --- Comment #4 from J. Daniel Schmidt <jdsn@novell.com> 2007-11-19 10:05:31 MST --- No - it never was. In the beginning of an installation the user was shown some "Community Repositories" to be added. I think it would make sense to offer an update source there as well. But this is done in "packager/src/clients/inst_productsources.ycp". -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c5 Ladislav Slezak <lslezak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |locilka@novell.com AssignedTo|lslezak@novell.com |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #5 from Ladislav Slezak <lslezak@novell.com> 2007-11-19 11:17:45 MST --- The on-line repositories are defined in the main XML file: http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/openSUSE_103_Servers.xml The update repository is part of the additional repositories which are not offered during installation. It seems to be done deliberately. Stephan? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c6 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #6 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-11-19 14:32:18 MST --- neat example of bugzilla ping pong :) Anyway, your bug is invalid. If you want to add your online repos to the list then do so, this should not be done by default because it would require online access during DVD installation. _And_ this got nothing to do with the update repo, which I consider funny that #4 got it into play as it's completly off topic to this bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c7 Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #7 from Federico Mena Quintero <federico@novell.com> 2007-11-19 16:41:25 MST --- (In reply to comment #6 from Stephan Kulow)
Anyway, your bug is invalid. If you want to add your online repos to the list then do so, this should not be done by default because it would require online access during DVD installation.
What I'm saying is that with a default installation, you cannot install software over the network later. This is because the distro repository is not added by default (I actually had to look for that repo's URL and put it by hand into "zypper addrepo", since the tools didn't even offer an option for it).
_And_ this got nothing to do with the update repo, which I consider funny that #4 got it into play as it's completly off topic to this bug.
Agreed, it doesn't have to do with the *updates* repository, just with the *distro* repository. [Updates become an issue when you do zypper install some-updated-program-which-I-didnt-have-before and some-updated-program depends on libsomething from the distro repository, which is not added by default.] -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c8 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #8 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-11-19 23:04:55 MST --- No, the "Community Repositories" yast module offers the main repos. No need to lookup the repos. And we can't add the network repos by default because as I said it would be random if the package is pulled from DVD or repo, but if you want to replace your DVD with online, the tools are there. For 11.0 libzypp may know how to prioritze repos and then we can revisit this. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c9 Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ptomes@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher@novell.com> 2007-11-20 04:13:00 MST --- *** Bug 342573 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=342573 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c11 --- Comment #11 from Petr Tomeš <ptomes@gmail.com> 2007-11-22 04:37:28 MST --- (In reply to comment #9 from Thomas Göttlicher)
*** Bug 342573 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I don't underestand why. It's different issue affecting only updates either on DVD or CD as well (maybe even LiveCD). There's no need to make this option default. It would be sufficient/better simple to have this option available at the beginning of installation along with OSS and NON-OSS online repositories option, since it: 1. can be already used by adding extra repository manually (but it is quite difficult and knowledge of it is required along with update URL) and it is available in the second stage of installation anyway 2. provides updated (fixed) packages before the second stage of installation (for me it fixed problems, when my network connection does not work during the second stage of installation and the first boot of KDE and GNOME that was extremely slow in addition) 3. save quite a large amount of a bandwidth to server and user 4. is time saving https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=342573 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c12 --- Comment #12 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-11-22 05:12:49 MST --- I can tell you: - the updates all need to be downloaded in full beauty into memory and then installed. - we have no way to QA updates in a running system _and_ in installation - deltas won't work without _major_ changes, so it would actually _add_ to the bandwidth requirements So we decided against it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c13 --- Comment #13 from Petr Tomeš <ptomes@gmail.com> 2007-11-22 05:45:27 MST --- (In reply to comment #12 from Stephan Kulow)
I can tell you: - the updates all need to be downloaded in full beauty into memory and then installed.
Where is the problem? As far as I know it is the same process as in the second stage of installation (after an reboot).
- we have no way to QA updates in a running system _and_ in installation
I can uderestand this point. On the other hand I actually have experience, when the updates radically improve the installation experience for me.
- deltas won't work without _major_ changes, so it would actually _add_ to the bandwidth requirements
Well, therefore is the same as in the second stage of installation. But user can be able to choose at the begining of the installation and save time to on the computer and it will leed to less installation steps.
So we decided against it.
I believe this issue is worth to think over it and reconsider it once again to find acceptable solution of implementation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c14 Michal Kubeček <bh-novell@mk-sys.cz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bh-novell@mk-sys.cz --- Comment #14 from Michal Kubeček <bh-novell@mk-sys.cz> 2007-11-27 04:39:18 MST ---
deltas won't work without _major_ changes, so it would actually _add_ to the bandwidth requirements
Not indeed. For example, now you have to install kernel-default-2.6.22.5-31 first and then update it to kernel-default-2.6.22.12-0.1. If you add the update repository as an add-on, installer downloads only kernel-default-2.6.22.12-0.1 and installs the current version immediately. And one _can_ add update repository before install (either manually adding the URL or writing it into add_on_products file) and it works (since 10.2). The point of Bug #342573 is that it would be a big help both for users and servers if one could do that in a more comfortable way. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c16 --- Comment #16 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-11-27 05:12:00 MST --- Please, this bug is WONTFIX for a reason because we decided against it. The arguments are well known. It has pros and cons and that's it -> WONTFIX. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=341533#c17 --- Comment #17 from Michal Kubeček <bh-novell@mk-sys.cz> 2007-11-27 05:32:06 MST --- OK, my mistake. My comment in fact belongs to #342573. I'll write a comment there. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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