https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 Hendrik Vogelsang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hvogel@novell.com AssignedTo|opensuse-translation-de@opensuse.org |hvogel@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User michael@michael-skiba.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c1 Michael Skiba changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Michael Skiba 2008-03-30 03:49:58 MST --- Like you already said I'd say it's more a program issue than a translation issue - the translation itself look correct to me(with the given strings) - sorry for the late answer, but it seems I'm the only one on the German Mailinglist.. Could you please report and reassign it again? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User michael@michael-skiba.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c3 Michael Skiba changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |michael@michael-skiba.de --- Comment #3 from Michael Skiba 2008-04-15 14:39:30 MST --- That's the wrong attitude my friend ;) One problem indeed is, that the l10n teams have to cover the whole field of different configurations, from dns servers over firewall to user management and updating service... As we're not masters of all those fields, we sometimes have to rely on the meaning that stands behind an English string, even though we don't actually know the in-depth details, this way is a bit sad actually, but we've no other choice (however you're free to join and help* ;) ) [of course we try to get behind the meaning of something, mostly freenode.net is our source of knowledge] And of course there's always a small glitch between so called "power-users" which are turned off by a too simple German translation and the "new-users" which should be spoonfeed. Actually I think that the above text is more or less understandable if you know a bit of package managing [not everyone, especially new ones are familiar with that - I'm aware of that too of course ;) ] * it would already be much help if you could suggest a different translation suggestion ;) P.S.: I (speaking for the volunteer German l10n team) have no intentions to "WONTFIX" all bug that are assigned to us, in fact this is the first one that I remember (and, in my defense: I think it's up to the programmer of the updater to make it more user friendly, i.e. changing the string to something more simple or showing an additional help...) So please don't turn your back on us, we all work hard to improve openSUSE, but we all do it in our spare time(and much to often, that's almost in the middle of the night) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User mack@ifis.cs.tu-bs.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c5 --- Comment #5 from Thomas Mack 2008-04-16 01:43:24 MST --- Pardon - I appreciate your work, but I don't like the direction, OpenSUSE and other more independent parts (like Gimp or else) are developing into. There is a clear tendency to implement Linux as a windows clone with all it's drawback like unspecific or unclear messages, more restrictive behaviour (e.g., one cannot move maximized windows any longer, even when the window is maximized to one screen only on a multiple screen setup), more complicated interfaces (e.g. the Gimp file dialog comes to my mind), testing probably only on stand alone machines or in single user and single screen desktop configurations etc. pp.. I cannot stop this direction. And reporting bugs takes quite some time as well. So when reporting one bug, in the next openSUSE version I find two new annoyances for this. I do understand your argumentation, but I'm engaged in some other projects (for free) as well, and I have to keep our machines running here at work, so I don't have so much time for reporting bugs or annoyances. And this even more, when the effect of seems to be very limited. Your argument 'people can understand it, when they get some basic knowledge about it' might be ok. But when someone is writing something like 'this [...]' and does not give any reference point, 'this' is referring to, the text tends to create confusion and not clarity. When someone is writing about two problems, but three problem sections are following, he is limiting information, even though the text is to give information. When someone is writing about 'invalid packages', he assumes, it is clear, what an invalid package might be. But this term is at least ambiguous. So why is it done like this? Information is to increase clarity and not to hide clarity. I did not have any problems understanding unresolved package dependencies or other similar installation messages in version 7 to 9 of SuSE, so why did SUSE 'improve'(???) the messages in newer versions to a complete mess? Is it such a problem to tell people: - this package (A) depends on package (B), but package (B) is not available for this computer architecture (C)? Well, no, the text speaks about resolvables, which is a word invented by SUSE (part of bug 292309); it speaks about 'invalid packages' - whatever this might be; it speaks about 'installable providers', which seems to be nonsense as well; it refers to something not mentioned anywhere; etc. pp.. My point is: the translation I reported the bug on might have had the chance to give an (easily) understandable information, but it failed. If the english text also does not give an understandable information, one should / might propagate it upwards. But the translation does not even provide a completely correct german syntax or semantics. So it seems to be valid to keep in here in the translation group. And yes: it's not a technical problem, so one can continue working with openSUSE. And if everyone thinks this and other similar unclear messages are ok, then one can leave it like this. Then it's the direction, openSUSE (and others) are developing to. It heavily reminds me of Windows messages, but when one likes to clone Windows, it seems to be valid to clone the information hiding of Windows as well. Maybe I will join the translation group sometime in future, so other people can complain about my translations as well, but for now, I won't. And I know: whatever one does, someone will be able to criticize it. So just take my criticism as a hint and not as something beyond that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.