http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User dominique.leuenberger@tmf-group.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c2 Dominique Leuenberger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO CC| |dominique.leuenberger@tmf-g | |roup.com Info Provider| |vegeek@gmail.com --- Comment #2 from Dominique Leuenberger 2009-09-24 07:18:44 MDT --- Just out of curiosity: are you running binary nvidia blob driver version 180.35? In this case: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128959&page=2 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|vegeek@gmail.com | -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User receive-spam@yandex.ru added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c5 --- Comment #5 from Arseniy Lartsev 2009-10-02 09:36:56 MDT --- I've tested KDE4 live CD. Keyboard shortcuts in KDE applications (e.g. Ctrl+O in KWrite) don't work. setxkbmap -print says: xkb_keymap { xkb_keycodes { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compat { include "complete+ledscroll(group_lock)" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc+ru(winkeys)+us:2+inet(evdev)+group(ctrl_shift_toggle)" }; xkb_geometry { include "microsoft(natural)" }; }; it should be "...us+ru(winkeys)...", not "...ru(winkeys)+us..." -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c7 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |sndirsch@novell.com Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #7 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-10-02 13:03:57 MDT --- It has always been requested ru being the first keyboard layout instead of the second one before. Reverting that again I'm sure users are going to complain. WONTFIX. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User vegeek@gmail.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c9 Paul Lubetsky changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX | Target Milestone|--- |RC 1 Severity|Major |Blocker --- Comment #9 from Paul Lubetsky 2009-10-03 13:34:02 MDT --- (In reply to comment #7)

It has always been requested ru being the first keyboard layout instead of the second one before. Reverting that again I'm sure users are going to complain. WONTFIX.

Ha. Ha-ha. MWA-HA-HA. MWAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHA! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! You rock. Your maner "We wouldn`t fix it because of FUCK YOU" rocks. Simply rate what is now happening: 1. We have a bug. It touches only a certain category of users - but it is VERY important for it. 2. We have an ULTRA-SIMPLE work-around. It is not a solution; but it makes the system work for this - why not use it? 3. This category of users requests this work-around for their own convenience. NAME ME AT LEAST ONE REASON FOR REJECTION? Your brain of ciliate shoe couldn`t do it? Ok, I can help you: the only reason is that you are a fucking nazi. I am happy that my great-grandfather and all my country have shown you where all of you should sit - there is no place for nazis in our world. It is a 'most user-friendly distribution'? Even Ubuntu developers are not so idiotic, as you are. They are incompetent to, but they don`t make a policy of discrimination. I will ask the Сourt of Human Rights. You will be destroyed. You'll never see a normal work, you`ll go to sweep the yard. Make your direct thy duty. You are dangerous for all the Linux community. "Freedom? Choice? FUCK YOU!" With such members we will always have 1% of desktops - do you really want it? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c11 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|X.Org |GNOME AssignedTo|bnc-team-xorg-bugs@forge.pr |bnc-team-gnome@forge.provo. |ovo.novell.com |novell.com QAContact|xorg-maintainer-bugs@forge. |qa@suse.de |provo.novell.com | --- Comment #11 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-10-03 16:29:05 MDT --- I've tested the usual meaning of Ctrl-C/Ctrl-Z in xterm and konsole with keyboard layout combination ru,us. It works fine. The only terminal, I could find, where it doesn't work was gnome-terminal. Thus this looks more like an issue in gnome-terminal than a general X issue. I cannot reproduce non-working KDE keyboard shotcuts in any KDE application. Reassigning again to GNOME component therefore. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User vegeek@gmail.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c13 --- Comment #13 from Paul Lubetsky 2009-10-04 06:04:40 MDT --- Moot point: i can give you another test-case. Launch dolphin and try to use 'Ctrl+T' keybinding for opening a new tab. It doesn`t work to. I am not quite familiar with xkb debugging, but it seems more like a XKB bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User michl@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c15 Michael Löffler changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |michl@novell.com --- Comment #15 from Michael Löffler 2009-10-05 03:51:26 MDT --- (In reply to comment #9)

(In reply to comment #7)

...

It has always been requested ru being the first keyboard layout instead of the second one before. Reverting that again I'm sure users are going to complain. WONTFIX.

Ha. Ha-ha. MWA-HA-HA. MWAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHA! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! You rock. Your maner "We wouldn`t fix it because of FUCK YOU" rocks. Simply rate what is now happening: 1. We have a bug. It touches only a certain category of users - but it is VERY important for it. 2. We have an ULTRA-SIMPLE work-around. It is not a solution; but it makes the system work for this - why not use it? 3. This category of users requests this work-around for their own convenience. NAME ME AT LEAST ONE REASON FOR REJECTION? Your brain of ciliate shoe couldn`t do it? Ok, I can help you: the only reason is that you are a fucking nazi. I am happy that my great-grandfather and all my country have shown you where all of you should sit - there is no place for nazis in our world. It is a 'most user-friendly distribution'? Even Ubuntu developers are not so idiotic, as you are. They are incompetent to, but they don`t make a policy of discrimination. I will ask the Сourt of Human Rights. You will be destroyed. You'll never see a normal work, you`ll go to sweep the yard. Make your direct thy duty. You are dangerous for all the Linux community. "Freedom? Choice? FUCK YOU!" With such members we will always have 1% of desktops - do you really want it?

Hi Paul, we at the openSUSE project have in our Guiding Principles [1] apart from other stuff 'respect for others and their work'. Do you think your above shown behaviour qualifies for this? Your behaviour is offending and everything else then constructive. Please read the Guiding Principles and appologise to Stefan. You're very welcome to participate here but not in that way. Best Michael [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Guiding_Principles -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User eich@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c18 --- Comment #18 from Egbert Eich 2009-10-05 13:49:39 MDT --- (In reply to comment #17)

I really don`t think that this bug should be ignored and marked 'WONTFIX' - it is very important for a big count of users world-wide (in fact, it touches the most part of Eastern Europe). But I agree, my tone was highly offensive, inadquate and unacceptable for others. It seems like I misunderstood Stefan (mostly, it was a desire to draw attention to the problem; my bad mood triggered it too) and I apologize to him.

In most free software projects this would have drawn attention to yourself more than to the problem. And once one has obtained the reputation of a troll this person will have a heck of a time to be taken seriously again. People have a lot of expectations on openSUSE, yet, our team is way too understaffed to satisfy all those, therefore answers may not be all that detailed. We could really use more help from the community debugging all the issues that get reported. I've looked into this problem so I'm taking over here now. 1. I don't see why switching "ru(winkeys)+us:2" around would make any difference. The '+' asks for an override, yet the ':2' applies the us keymap to the Group2 keymap. Since ru(winkeys) doesn't add any symbols to group2 the order shouldn't make a difference. To verify this I've pasted the entire setxkbmap output from comment #5 into a file and ran: 'xkbcomp <filename> $DISPLAY' subsequently I dumped the entire mapping with 'xkbcomp $DISPLAY - > file1'. I then switched around the two entries loaded and dumped the keymap again. A diff of both maps showed that they are identical (except for the very line where things were swapped around). To change the layout group one needs to press ctrl-shift. Doing this in gnome-terminal yields the right behavior when pressing ctrl-Z or ctrl-C. 2. Like Stefan I've tested xterm, konsole and gnome-terminal. Only gnome- terminal exhibits the wrong behavior when pressing ctrl-Z or ctrl-c in group1 (Cyrillic layout). Apparently the reason for this is that gnome- terminal is only looking for the keysym of the 'z' or 'c' key which is however Cyrillic-ya or Cyrillic-es. The right way to deal with this would be to check if any symbol for the key pressed when Ctrl is held is 'z' or 'c'. 3. The behavior of dolphin as descried in comment #13 looks like a general bug in KDE: I don't seem to be able to use any of the Ctrl shortcuts in dolphin - no matter what keyboard layout I have set. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User receive-spam@yandex.ru added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c20 --- Comment #20 from Arseniy Lartsev 2009-10-05 15:43:22 MDT --- (In reply to comment #18)

3. The behavior of dolphin as descried in comment #13 looks like a general bug in KDE: I don't seem to be able to use any of the Ctrl shortcuts in dolphin - no matter what keyboard layout I have set.

In Qt, actually. And I'm not sure that it is a bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User eich@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c21 --- Comment #21 from Egbert Eich 2009-10-11 10:06:58 MDT --- (In reply to comment #19)

I mean that correct is "pc+us+ru(winkeys):2+..." which is obviously not the same. Ctrl+O in KWrite and Ctrl+T in Dolphin work with this setting.

Ok, that's different. It would put the ru keys into group2 which is probably not what the standard user in Russia wants. We have had reports requesting ...ru(winkeys)+us:2... I still believe that the keyboard shortcut issue should be fixed in the toolkit (Qt) as well as in gnome-terminal. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User receive-spam@yandex.ru added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c22 --- Comment #22 from Arseniy Lartsev 2009-10-11 15:51:58 MDT --- (In reply to comment #21)

I still believe that the keyboard shortcut issue should be fixed in the toolkit (Qt) as well as in gnome-terminal. I could even make a patch for Qt, but affected software is not limited to Qt and gnome-terminal. There's also a lot of applications which are not in openSUSE main repository, and it's impossible to fix all of them.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User receive-spam@yandex.ru added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c24 --- Comment #24 from Arseniy Lartsev 2009-10-17 02:39:01 MDT --- (In reply to comment #23)

Could you attach it? No, I haven't made those changes to Qt yet.

Could you give us examples? ZDaemon, Maple.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User highwaystar.ru@gmail.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c26 --- Comment #26 from Vitaliy Tomin 2009-10-18 21:31:58 MDT --- both gtk and Qt/KDE have problem with shortcut when first layout non us one. this issue known at least since 2005, here discussion in gnome upstream bugzilla https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162726 http://helgo.net/simon/hacking/shortcut.html bug affected not only russian keyboard layot, but all others, where us layout not first -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User receive-spam@yandex.ru added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c29 --- Comment #29 from Arseniy Lartsev 2009-10-19 12:59:59 MDT --- (In reply to comment #25)

Thanks. Where can I find these?

ZDaemon: http://web.archive.org/web/20040823092115/fenixhost.com/doom/ Maple (http://maplesoft.com) is commercial software. However, there must be more examples I didn't happen to know about. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494 User eich@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540494#c32 --- Comment #32 from Egbert Eich 2009-10-20 10:18:08 MDT --- (In reply to comment #30)

Thanks. So apparently this is a long standing issue with most toolkits affected. :-( This begs the question why there has been requests at all to make "ru" the primary keyboard layout. It makes no sense to me. Anyway, there is not much choice at the moment and I'm afraid this issue will never get fixed in the toolkits.

Switching to "us,ru" again.

Stefan, can you still locate the ticket which requested the change to ru,us? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.