https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489#c1 --- Comment #1 from Maciej Pilichowski 2011-03-14 18:51:07 UTC --- Additional information: NM applet does not work because by default in OS Gnome is configured to start NM applet, but Yast is configured to NOT use NM for network. So those settings are in conflict. After manually changing settings in Yast, NM applet can start. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489#c3 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #3 from Maciej Pilichowski 2011-03-14 20:04:26 UTC --- You are missing the fact that opensuse ships with such broken configuration (reopening). Two things: a) make up your mind and configure opensuse default settings to either USE or NOT use NM -- you cannot have both b) another issue is, that if you know in advance NM is not operational, forbid launching it -- i.e. if user sets Yast to disable NM, then disable it, plain and simple c) error message is completely cryptic: Does it error ** (nm-applet:14380): WARNING **: get_all_cb: couldn't retrieve system settings properties: (2) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings was not provided by any .service files. tells you that NM was disabled by Yast? (it is not even flagged as error!) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679489#c5 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |REOPENED InfoProvider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #5 from Maciej Pilichowski 2011-03-15 15:52:34 UTC ---

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You are missing the fact that opensuse ships with such broken configuration (reopening).

How is it broken? Note that on livecd at least, we ship with NM enabled by default.

Enabled -- in network module (of Yast)? This is correct settings. In DVD version OS is shipped with NM disabled and NM-applet running. Of course NM-applet will fail to run, but user does not see it, because it silently quits.

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a) make up your mind and configure opensuse default settings to either USE or NOT use NM -- you cannot have both I don't understand this point. It is not an issue to have nm-applet running. Is this what you consider as an issue?

Maybe I rephrase and ask you a question -- in DVD version for Gnome, the network should be controlled manually (old-school way) or by NM?

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b) another issue is, that if you know in advance NM is not operational, forbid

launching it -- i.e. if user sets Yast to disable NM, then disable it, plain and simple

This is the same as a), isn't it?

Yes/No. Initial settings have nothing to do what algorithm you use for UI to prevent non-working results of user actions. However, if you add such algorithm, it would prevent you (OS maintainers) from ship OS with broken initial settings.

** (nm-applet:14380): WARNING **: get_all_cb: couldn't retrieve system settings properties: (2) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings was not provided by any .service files.

It simply tells you NM is not running. Yes, I guess that could be improved.

If it "simply" tell you that, it should simply tell it. Without translating message on bugzilla. I am glad you agree on this point. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.