https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c1 Dr. Werner Fink changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |fcrozat@suse.com |ovo.novell.com | --- Comment #1 from Dr. Werner Fink 2012-01-16 10:09:41 UTC --- Hmmm ... the ownership and permissions are

sudo ls -l /var/spool/clientmqueue/sm-client.pid -rw------- 1 mail mail 54 Sep 20 18:23 /var/spool/clientmqueue/sm-client.pid sudo ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue/ drwxrwx--- 2 mail mail 45 Jan 16 10:58 /var/spool/clientmqueue/

and this will not be changed for security reasons. And yes the pid files of sendmail processes also include the full command in the second line which is well known for sendmail. This is a major feature of sendmail as sendmail does rewrite its command line:

ps aux | grep sendmail root 17395 0.0 0.0 11504 772 ? Ss 2011 2:48 sendmail: accepting connections mail 17401 0.0 0.0 7588 420 ? Ss 2011 0:00 sendmail: Queue control mail 17402 0.0 0.1 39508 2584 ? S 2011 4:09 sendmail: running queue: /var/spool/clientmqueue

the question rises if systemd system uses other ownerships than root and/or can not handle a second or more lines in a pid file. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c3 Dr. Werner Fink changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nrickert@ameritech.net --- Comment #3 from Dr. Werner Fink 2012-01-16 13:31:53 UTC --- Ok ... then it could be a permission problem ... or also possible a timing issue as the sendmail client for queue control is started if the port 25 of localhost is available that is if the sendmail server process has started and open port 25 (shouldn't this be addressed by bug #732912) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c5 --- Comment #5 from Dr. Werner Fink 2012-01-16 16:58:15 UTC --- (In reply to comment #4) Hmm ... this is how the upstream m source tar ball just do it: At least /var/spool/clientmqueue is owner mail:mail and it is not wordreadable and the pid is stored exactly there. And the client process has its specific umask for all its files below /var/spool/clientmqueue which includes the pid file. The question is why a root process shoulds not be able to read such a file? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c7 --- Comment #7 from Jean Delvare 2012-01-17 08:00:14 UTC --- Neil, thanks for your insight. Your point on write-locked pid files is interesting. Note that cron is doing the same though, and apparently systemd has no trouble reading /var/run/cron.pid (otherwise I guess it would complain.) As a side note, I wonder why cron and sendmail think their pid files need writing-locking when all other daemons do not. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c9 --- Comment #9 from Dr. Werner Fink 2012-01-17 08:59:02 UTC --- Guess: you see the dependency chain for a MTA that is one service requires mail-transfer-agent.target. On the other hand there is a path dependency which may trigger the start of sendmail client process if /var/spool/clientmqueue is not empty and this will triggers the start of the main sendmail process listing on port 25. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c11 --- Comment #11 from Jean Delvare 2012-01-17 10:13:11 UTC --- As "systemctl show mail-transfer-agent.target" said: Before=cron.service I tried disabling cron.service too but it did not make any difference. /var/spool/clientmqueue contains a single, zero-byte file named sm-client.st. It comes with the sendmail rpm, so I think this means the queue is empty. Based on Frederic's advice in comment #10, I masked sendmail.service and then also sendmail-client.service, and with this the boot time as reported by systemd-analyze is finally down from 15 seconds to 10 seconds. I can use this as a workaround for the time being but obviously that's not a valid fix. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c13 --- Comment #13 from Jean Delvare 2012-01-17 13:00:58 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=471521) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=471521) systemd-analyze plot with sendmail masked -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c15 --- Comment #15 from Jean Delvare 2012-01-17 15:07:36 UTC --- Thanks to Frederic we found an alternative to masking sendmail.service and sendmail-client.service: one should disable sendmail.service, sendmail-client.service _and_ sendmail-client.path. So now at least I have a clean way to prevent sendmail from starting. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c17 --- Comment #17 from Jean Delvare 2012-01-17 15:43:57 UTC --- I disagree. If the service has been disabled by the system admin then it should simply not start. The admin knows better. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c19 Frederic Crozat changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |jdelvare@suse.com Jean Delvare changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Component|Basesystem |Basesystem InfoProvider|jdelvare@suse.com | Product|openSUSE 12.1 |openSUSE 12.3 OS/Version|SUSE Other |openSUSE 12.3 --- Comment #19 from Frederic Crozat 2013-03-11 15:50:47 UTC --- what is the current status of this bug ? --- Comment #20 from Jean Delvare 2013-05-27 08:40:27 UTC --- Sorry for the late reply, I somehow missed the NEEDINFO. I have upgraded the system to openSUSE 12.3 meanwhile and I'm afraid the bug is still present. I'll attach the latest output of systemd-analyze plot. That being said I'm not sure if sendmail is to blame here. If I enable ntp as as daemon, then it is ntp.service which appears to take 5 seconds to start and delay the rest of the boot process, and sendmail seems to start reasonably fast. I'll attach the output of systemd-analyze plot for that case as well. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c22 --- Comment #22 from Jean Delvare 2013-05-27 08:42:20 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=541318) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=541318) systemd-analyze plot with ntp and sendmail enabled -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741469#c Frederic Crozat changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|fcrozat@suse.com |systemd-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.