[Bug 492665] New: net-tools: obsolete old tools
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492665 Summary: net-tools: obsolete old tools Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 11.2 Version: Factory Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: Network AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: jengelh@medozas.de QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: Beta-Customer Programs from net-tools have modern equivalents: arp -> ip neigh ifconfig -> ip addr/ip link ipmaddr -> ip maddr iptunnel -> ip tunnel netstat -> ss route -> ip route -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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--- Comment #19 from Jan Engelhardt
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--- Comment #22 from Marcus Rückert
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--- Comment #23 from Jan Engelhardt
it got rejected as i dont see a reason to complain on *every* call of the tools. i would understand to show it on --help and in the manpages. but not on every call.
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--- Comment #30 from Jan Engelhardt
I see Fedora and Ubuntu both still using net-config, correct?
Just because "They" are stuck in the past does not mean SUSE should do the same. Extra discussion would just delay things. If nobody moves forward, who will? And IMHO, it is way more cool if SUSE moved the feet first and unilaterally so, to make a stance. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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From a technical perspective all is done, it's just a spec file change to add the patch or not from now on. I will close this one for now as wontfix if we agree to add that patch reopen it
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From a SLES perspective, one could even make a point that if there are serious
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because ISVs go for the greatest common denominator on unixish systems.
I already invalidated this argument: the BSD and Solaris ifconfig output actually resembles that of iproute2's.
what kinds of problems are we talking about in ifconfig and route? functional deficiencies in the sense that iputils are simply more complete, or are these actual bugs
It's like a Kinder Surprise Egg, with “three things at once”: functional deficiencies, logistic deficiencies, and bugs. See http://jengelh.medozas.de/2008/0219-ifconfig-sucks.php
a) send warnings to stderr not stdout, so we're not messing up scripts which parse the output
Sending warnings to stderr can, on the other hand, trip up programs which expect real warnings on stderr, not some informational message that I am proposing. stdout was also chosen, because users might use $PAGER which commonly overwrites screen lines with stdout output, giving no way to show stderr messages in interactive mode unless the user explicitly uses 2>&1. ifconfig has been a free-form format for all time anyhow, scripts parsing ifconfig output walk on thin ice anyway, and the proposed message does not change that, nor does it contain any keyword that, IMO, would change the most common grep operations. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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--- Comment #37 from Thorsten Kukuk
because ISVs go for the greatest common denominator on unixish systems.
I already invalidated this argument: the BSD and Solaris ifconfig output actually resembles that of iproute2's.
So than the correct solution would be, to modify the iproute2 package to become comptible with BSD and Solaris and not introduce something new, incompatible. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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--- Comment #38 from Jan Engelhardt
So than the correct solution would be, to modify the iproute2 package to become comptible with BSD and Solaris and not introduce something new, incompatible.
By changing the iproute2 command line syntax you would introduce an incompatibility. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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