[Bug 497217] New: yast reboot popup comands me to reboot in an unfriendly way

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22 Apr 2009 22 Apr '09

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 Summary: yast reboot popup comands me to reboot in an unfriendly way Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE.org Version: unspecified Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Documentation AssignedTo: ke@novell.com ReportedBy: jw@novell.com QAContact: adrian@novell.com Found By: --- After installing patches, a popup appeared, saying At least one of the updates installed requires a system reboot to function properly. Reboot the system. [OK] It would be more userffiendly to name the updates, that need this. It is unclear, weather or not the system will reboot upon pressing OK. Saying 'Please reboot the system as soon as is convenient.' would be more polite. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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22 Apr 22 Apr

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New subject: [Bug 497217] yast reboot popup comands me to reboot in an unfriendly way

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c1 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ke@novell.com Component|Documentation |YaST2 AssignedTo|ke@novell.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.pr | |ovo.novell.com Product|openSUSE.org |openSUSE 11.2 QAContact|adrian@novell.com |jsrain@novell.com --- Comment #1 from Karl Eichwalder 2009-04-22 05:15:36 MDT --- The message is part of yast (online-update.pot). Yes, is is ambigious. And yes, it would be good name the package that requires the reboot. No "please", please ;) My proposal (to be proofread): At least one of the updates installed requires a system reboot to function properly. Save your data and reboot the system manually as soon as possible. Wondering whether we add a reboot button to this message box as available on another OS. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 Josef Reidinger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jreidinger@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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23 Apr 23 Apr

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 Steffen Winterfeldt changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jsuchome@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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24 Apr 24 Apr

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New subject: [Bug 497217] yast reboot popup comands me to reboot in an unfriendly way

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c2 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #2 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-04-24 04:55:21 MDT --- I don't think reboot button is good idea. But it could be good idea to list the updates, yes. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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11:33

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jw@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c3 --- Comment #3 from Juergen Weigert 2009-04-24 05:33:13 MDT --- A reboot button is a good idea, as it clearly shows the user that he has the choice and need not fear an immediate reboot upon clicking [OK]. Saying 'Please reboot' would be another way to disambiguate the language. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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28 Apr 28 Apr

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c4 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |mschmidkunz@novell.com --- Comment #4 from Karl Eichwalder 2009-04-28 01:11:42 MDT --- I think we'd better involve the the much shrunken Usability Dep. As Jürgen proposes, I also vote to provide an additional "Reboot Now" button. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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29 Apr 29 Apr

15:29

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c5 Martin Schmidkunz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED CC| |mschmidkunz@novell.com Info Provider|mschmidkunz@novell.com | --- Comment #5 from Martin Schmidkunz 2009-04-29 09:29:37 MDT --- Mhm. What about a summary pop up like the "automatic changes" pop up in software manager (see attachment)? * "OK" installs the patches and reboots the system. * "Cancel" returns to the patch management. This would mean that the user would have to deselect the patches which require a reboot manually. Does that make sense to you? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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15:31

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c6 --- Comment #6 from Martin Schmidkunz 2009-04-29 09:30:59 MDT --- Created an attachment (id=288923) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=288923) patch pop up -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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17:05

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jw@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c7 Juergen Weigert changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mls@novell.com --- Comment #7 from Juergen Weigert 2009-04-29 11:05:22 MDT --- Martins suggestion is intrusive to the yast workflow. I'd like to avoid that is far as possible. I still prefer Karl's solution from comment#1. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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30 Apr 30 Apr

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c8 --- Comment #8 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-04-30 00:00:23 MDT --- At that time, the patches are already installed, it is not possible to revert the action. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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06:46

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P4 - Low -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c9 --- Comment #9 from Karl Eichwalder 2009-04-30 02:40:31 MDT --- (In reply to comment #7)

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Martins suggestion is intrusive to the yast workflow. I'd like to avoid that is far as possible. I still prefer Karl's solution from comment#1.

Maybe, we could enhance it and add a "Reboot" button: ... or click "Reboot Now" to reboot the system immediately.

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From the security POV, that's probably a wanted feature.

Is there a d-bus interface or something similar to check whether the user has unsaved data in a desktop application (Gnome and KDE)? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c10 --- Comment #10 from Martin Schmidkunz 2009-04-30 02:46:03 MDT --- What about adding a note to the patch description? Example: Patch Description ------------------------------------------- postgresql - postgrespl security update Remote authenticated users bla bla bla. Note: Patch requires a system reboot to function properly. References: * XXXXXX (bugzilla) I was also thinking about marking reboot requiring patches with an icon but having two columns with icons didn't seem like a good idea to me :-) Additional to that I would vote to change the text of the pop up according to Jürgens in the inital description or comment#1 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c11 --- Comment #11 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-04-30 03:54:16 MDT --- (In reply to comment #10)

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What about adding a note to the patch description?

The patch already has such note and user is warned with a popup similar to your proposal before installing the patch. This bug is about another popup that opens after all patches are installed. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jw@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c12 --- Comment #12 from Juergen Weigert 2009-04-30 09:25:24 MDT --- Created an attachment (id=289257) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=289257) kupdater screenshot This is how the kupdateapplet already presents the patches. See column 'Restart' kupdateapplet also says 'Reboot your system as soon as possible'. All perfectly fine (except that at that point I can no longer review the packages that require the reboot). My enhancement suggestion is where yast is inferior. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c13 --- Comment #13 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-04-30 12:32:52 MDT --- Well, I think there have been lots of proposals here. I hope we could agree on 1. Better wording of the text in the popup in question (comment 1) 2. Summary of patches which are reason for reboot (comment 2) Remember that you can't revert patches installation from the point of popup which is actually shown _after_ all the patches were installed. But you can do it during the update: YaST also tells you that upcoming kernel update _will_ require reboot and at that time, you can choose not to install it. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c14 --- Comment #14 from Martin Schmidkunz 2009-05-04 02:50:50 MDT --- I can agree with both points :-) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c15 --- Comment #15 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-12-15 14:31:59 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=332676) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=332676) proposed popup Proposed solution of comment 13. Martin? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |mschmidkunz@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c16 Martin Schmidkunz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|mschmidkunz@novell.com | --- Comment #16 from Martin Schmidkunz 2009-12-16 09:56:48 UTC --- Cool! Now that`s what I call a usable pop up :-) Thanks! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497217#c17 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #17 from Jiří Suchomel 2009-12-16 12:56:53 UTC --- Fixed in yast2-online-update-2.17.20 (SLE11SP1) and yast2-online-update-2.19.0 (Factory) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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