[Bug 262319] New: Sorry state of Novell Client on openSUSE
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 Summary: Sorry state of Novell Client on openSUSE Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Final Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Commercial AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: guru@unixtech.be QAContact: qa@suse.de CC: aj@novell.com I would like to address the sorry state of the Novell Client on openSUSE. openSUSE being Novell's own ("community" ?) distribution, it's a mystery to me (and quite a few other people) why there isn't an easy way to install a Novell Client package that is properly built, e.g. on openSUSE 10.2 It should be - built for 10.2 (and 10.3 and ...) when it comes out, not just for SLED but with real commitment - available through an online package repository, not a self-extracting archive with a bunch of RPMs and some add-on product metadata Please put some more care into properly offering and packaging your own products to your own distribution. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #1 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-04-07 18:58 MST ------- Well, I can add a remark for a future: (openSUSE 10.3) -If this Novell Client is OSS, than it must be part of the main repository (not necessarily on DVD, but on FTP) -If it's not, then I think it should go into the non-OSS CD just my 2 cents :) -Alexey "Technologov" -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #2 from judas_iscariote@shorewall.net 2007-04-07 22:03 MST ------- (In reply to comment #1)
Well, I can add a remark for a future: (openSUSE 10.3) -If this Novell Client is OSS, than it must be part of the main repository (not necessarily on DVD, but on FTP)
yes, I think **any** novell product with licenses compatible with opensuse should be available at least in the network installation sources. not having proper builds for Novell's own opensource or distributable products is just very embarrasing and does not make any sense. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |aj@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #4 from judas_iscariote@shorewall.net 2007-04-10 03:14 MST ------- I see this RPM nici-2.6.8-0.02.i386.rpm novell-nmasclient-3.2.0-9.i386.rpm novell-client-1.1.0-4.i586.rpm novell-client-script-1.1.0-12.i586.rpm novell-konqueror-plugin-1.1.0-222.suse10.i586.rpm (derived work of Konqueror ??) novell-nautilus-plugin-1.1.0-222.suse10.i586.rpm novell-novfs-1.1.0-7.i586.rpm (already included, last time I saw it, it raised and amusing kernel warning saying that "was not supported by novell" (if not supported by novell then I wonder ...supported by whom ? ;-P) novell-novfsd-1.2.0-2.i586.rpm novell-qtgui-1.1.0-222.suse10.i586.rpm (gpl unless novell has QT commercial license ??) novell-ui-base-1.1.0-222.suse10.i586.rpm novell-xplatlib-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm ovell-xtier-base-3.1.3-12.suse10.i586.rpm novell-xtier-core-3.1.3-12.suse10.i586.rpm yast2-novell-client-1.1.0-8.i586.rpm (derived work of yast(???) ..where is the source ? ;-) ) just for the sake of completeness, "properly built" of course, means built against distribution own libraries and policies. also source code RPMs available where applicable right. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #5 from guru@unixtech.be 2007-04-10 16:03 MST ------- (In reply to comment #4)
I see this RPM .. yast2-novell-client-1.1.0-8.i586.rpm (derived work of yast(???) ..where is the source ? ;-) )
Indeed ;) The Novell Client is proprietary though, not released under an open source license (for whatever reason, possibly historical).
just for the sake of completeness, "properly built" of course, means built against distribution own libraries and policies. also source code RPMs available where applicable right.
Those RPMs are for SLED, not for openSUSE. One has to jump through a few hoops to have it running properly on openSUSE 10.2. That's what I meant with "properly built": build the Novell Client against 10.2 And, of course, provide an online repository where it can be installed from (accepting licenses and such can be provided in yast2 repositories too so that's hardly a hurdle), not just a tarball with rpm files. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 sbjensen@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|sbjensen@novell.com |askuratov@n-ix.com.ua ------- Comment #6 from sbjensen@novell.com 2007-05-22 15:44 MST ------- Andriy, please work to get a build working for the Linux Client on OpenSUSE 10.2 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #7 from novell@digitasaru.net 2007-05-22 22:31 MST ------- When can I expect this? I need it ASAP. I've been trying to make do with the novell clients that are available, but I'm not having any luck. 1) It looks like the database for novell-xregd isn't being created 2) Any operation (e.g. clicking on the tray icon or trying to log in) gives an error from the cross-platform libs (don't have the specific error with me; is in NWCCScanConnRefs). Anyhow, the sooner this gets fixed, the better. I'm having trouble without it. :( -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 sbjensen@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P2 - High -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #8 from guru@unixtech.be 2007-06-09 19:01 MST ------- Any update and/or timeframe on this ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #9 from dkosaryev@novell.com 2007-06-11 08:36 MST ------- We are having some problems with building the novfs against kernel-um syms. Is there any external kernel module that compiles against it successfully? Or where can we find some information about it? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #10 from novell@digitasaru.net 2007-06-11 22:22 MST ------- Bueller? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 francisg@gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |francisg@gmail.com ------- Comment #11 from francisg@gmail.com 2007-06-13 05:11 MST ------- Stumbled across http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=115 which also expresses these concerns -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #12 from dkosaryev@novell.com 2007-06-13 09:47 MST ------- I believe we will have a build for openSuse 10.2 soon. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #13 from guru@unixtech.be 2007-06-13 16:30 MST ------- Thanks Dima. Please keep us updated here about your progress so we can at least see it's being worked on and nearing finalization ;) (having it look like total inertia is not shedding a good light) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #14 from sbjensen@novell.com 2007-06-15 09:48 MST ------- A new Linux Client build has been created for openSuse 10.2 Build Location ISOs http://farek.provo.novell.com/install/ncl/2007614 for 10.2 mounted installs 32 bit http://farek.provo.novell.com/install/ncl/2007614/10.2/i386 64 bit http://farek.provo.novell.com/install/ncl/2007614/10.2/x86_64 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 ------- Comment #15 from m.pepping@aventus.nl 2007-06-15 11:04 MST ------- Are these Novell internal links? I can't seem to access them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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The 2.0 version of the Open SUSE 10.2 version of the Linux Client is available from: http://www.novell.com/beta/auth/beta.jsp?id=2208&type=1
Good that 's a progress.. however an ISO image is not quite suitable for the userbase :( , what really is really useful is having it available as a regular repository (either via the non-oss or OSS whatever applies) if that is not possible, whatever kind of online, properly packaged online repo helps. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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might I add that its not only openSUSE that suffers, but the client doesn't even work properly in SLED 10 SP1!!
Please opne a separate report, what you are experiencing looks like a different problem, -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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Just a short update on this bug as people in the last openSUSE project meeting complained about the slow progress here. I'm now in contact with the right people for the Novell client for openSUSE and we're working on a solution.
if there is any help needed on packaging the components where source code **is available**(yes, it is a conditional) let me to know. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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Ping? The release is getting very close now...
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Ping? The release is getting very close now...
We understand your needs and we are doing what we can. Just know that we are not ignoring you.
I think when you see that this bug has existed for well over a year now, and the Novell client is even less operable in 11 then 10.3, its very reasonable to believe that the Novell developers are ignoring us. Joe, is there a reason why the Novell client shouldn't be open source? When the novfs bug tracker is closed to the public, and we can't see any snapshots of the Novell client, I think that leads us to believe we're being ignored. If the fixes were done quickly, perhaps this wouldn't be a problem--but obviously there is something wrong with the client and your team isn't able to fix it quick enough. As a paying Novell user, its hard to justify to my CIO that Novell is worth it when even their own client doesn't work right in linux. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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If you wish to retain the bug as one for 10.3 and open a new one, that is one thing. Changing the title, however, really only diminishes the importance given to the issue by community members. "Sorry state" is a good description of what people found.
The problem is that "sorry state" was to general a term and as you can see from all the comments there were several issues that were being thrown under the same bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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