[Bug 780654] New: tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

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16 Sep 2012 16 Sep '12

08:38

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c0 Summary: tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 12.2 Version: Final Platform: i686 OS/Version: openSUSE 12.2 Status: NEW Severity: Major Priority: P5 - None Component: Other AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: Stromeko@NexGo.DE QAContact: qa-bugs@suse.de Found By: --- Blocker: --- User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0 GNU tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that format and have known bugs or are poorly tested when PAX extended headers are present. Please revert that gratuitous change or fix all applications so that they work correctly with that change. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Produce a tar archive with default settings and try to open it with applications that recognize tar archives. Actual Results: Several applications still don't deal correctly with PAX extended headers and either produce errors or may silently produce wrong data. Expected Results: All applications delivered with openSUSE should be able to correctyl parse tar archives produced with the default settings of tar as provided by openSUSE. Bug #770614 -- unknown application, probably a file manager Bug #780653 -- Emacs -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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16 Sep 16 Sep

12:07

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c kk zhang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kkzhang@suse.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |vcizek@suse.com |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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17 Sep 17 Sep

07:45

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c1 Ludwig Nussel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ke@suse.com, | |seife@novell.slipkontur.de --- Comment #1 from Ludwig Nussel 2012-09-17 09:45:25 CEST --- it was suggested to put this at least in the release notes -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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08:58

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c Vitezslav Cizek changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC| |crrodriguez@opensuse.org, | |vcizek@suse.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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09:16

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blocks| |780719 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14:02

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c2 --- Comment #2 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-09-17 16:02:30 CEST --- I could add a section as follows to the release notes: <sect2>  <title>GNU tar Defaults to Creating POSIX-compliant Archives</title> <para> GNU tar now defaults to <literal>--format=posix</literal> and create POSIX-compliant archives with PAX extended headers. Check whether your scripts and applications are compatible with this format. </para> </sect2> ========================================================================= I'll publish it together with bug 780719. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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18 Sep 18 Sep

08:08

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c3 --- Comment #3 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-09-18 10:08:31 CEST --- (In reply to comment #0)

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Expected Results: All applications delivered with openSUSE should be able to correctyl parse tar archives produced with the default settings of tar as provided by openSUSE.

I do not agree with this statement. Applications are expected to also parse foreign archives. I'm not sure what is more important.

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Bug #770614 -- unknown application, probably a file manager Bug #780653 -- Emacs

Emacs could probably learn to the PAX header in addition. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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20:44

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c4 --- Comment #4 from Achim Gratz 2012-09-18 20:44:36 UTC ---

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I do not agree with this statement. Applications are expected to also parse foreign archives. I'm not sure what is more important.

I would think a user can reasonably expect that a file manager (or emacs) is able to look into and expand a tar file just produced on the same system. If that contract is broken, then maybe the default format should not have been changed to begin with?

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Emacs could probably learn to the PAX header in addition.

It already has, but not the version that comes with the system. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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20:46

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c5 --- Comment #5 from Achim Gratz 2012-09-18 20:46:49 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2) Could you please also add that the former behaviour (and upstream default) can be restored by setting the environment TAR_OPTIONS='--format=gnu' or TAR_OPTIONS='--pax-option=delete=[ac]time*' -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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22:37

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c6 --- Comment #6 from Cristian Rodríguez 2012-09-18 18:37:50 CLT --- Well, emacs or whatever does not parse this 10 year old (!!) standard format..is broken, it should be fixed to use libarchive(3) and stop parsing stuff at his own will... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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19 Sep 19 Sep

05:00

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c7 --- Comment #7 from Achim Gratz 2012-09-19 05:00:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #6)

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Well, emacs or whatever does not parse this 10 year old (!!) standard format..is broken, it should be fixed to use libarchive(3) and stop parsing stuff at his own will...

Please keep your comments on-topic, the emacs bug is discussed someplace else. This bug is about not dealing correctly with a (gratuitous) change in default behaviour and thereby making life difficult for mere users. As a side-note, just because something has been a standard for however many years doesn't necessarily make it a good default. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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12:19

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c8 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P3 - Medium --- Comment #8 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-09-19 14:19:48 CEST --- (In reply to comment #5)

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(In reply to comment #2)

Could you please also add that the former behaviour (and upstream default) can be restored by setting the environment

TAR_OPTIONS='--format=gnu'

or

TAR_OPTIONS='--pax-option=delete=[ac]time*'

Done (in SVN). Can we close this bug now? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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12:31

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c Vitezslav Cizek changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|vcizek@suse.com |ke@suse.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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13:36

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c9 --- Comment #9 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-09-19 15:36:34 CEST --- fixed in SVN. to be released with bug 780719. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14:42

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c10 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #10 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-09-19 16:42:07 CEST --- thus resolved... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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9 Oct 9 Oct

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c11 --- Comment #11 from Swamp Workflow Management 2012-10-09 10:09:23 UTC --- openSUSE-RU-2012:1318-1: An update that has four recommended fixes can now be installed. Category: recommended (low) Bug References: 779702,780654,781131,781700 CVE References: Sources used: openSUSE 12.2 (src): release-notes-openSUSE-12.2.8-1.8.1 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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26 Dec 26 Dec

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c12 Gilles Sabourin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED CC| |gilles.sabourin@free.fr Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #12 from Gilles Sabourin 2012-12-26 17:50:26 UTC --- This bug is still here in x86 64 bits architecture. When i was to install my own ioquake3 package, the loki installer complained about an expected error and this message was issued in the console : Tar: './PaxHeaders.30331/.' is unknown file type: x I had to patch manually installer's scripts, but both "--portability" and "--old-archive" options were rejected, Only "--format=v7" was accepted. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c Gilles Sabourin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Platform|i686 |x86-64 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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2 Jan 2 Jan

09:39

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c13 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |gilles.sabourin@free.fr --- Comment #13 from Karl Eichwalder 2013-01-02 10:39:32 CET --- (In reply to comment #12)

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This bug is still here in x86 64 bits architecture. When i was to install my own ioquake3 package, the loki installer complained about an expected error and this message was issued in the console :

Tar: './PaxHeaders.30331/.' is unknown file type: x

I had to patch manually installer's scripts, but both "--portability" and "--old-archive" options were rejected, Only "--format=v7" was accepted.

In the current release notes text we recommend to use either --format=gnu' or --pax-option=delete=[ac]time*. Did you also try this? This is the current text: <title>GNU tar Defaults to Creating POSIX-compliant Archives</title> <para> GNU tar now defaults to <literal>--format=posix</literal> and create POSIX-compliant archives with PAX extended headers. Check whether your scripts and applications are compatible with this format. </para> <para> The former behavior (and upstream default) can be restored by setting the environment: </para> <screen>TAR_OPTIONS='--format=gnu'</screen> <para> or </para> <screen>TAR_OPTIONS='--pax-option=delete=[ac]time*'</screen> -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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23 Jan 23 Jan

09:23

New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c14 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |puzel@suse.com InfoProvider|gilles.sabourin@free.fr |crrodriguez@opensuse.org --- Comment #14 from Karl Eichwalder 2013-01-23 10:23:46 CET --- tar maintainer please check, whether the above release notes entry is good enough. Do we need something similar for 12.3 release notes? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 780654] tar now defaults to --format=posix, but other applications don't expect that

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780654#c15 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED InfoProvider|crrodriguez@opensuse.org | Resolution| |NORESPONSE --- Comment #15 from Karl Eichwalder 2013-03-07 14:28:45 CET --- I guess, in the meantime people got use to the new behavior. Please reopen, if you think we must address this issue on 12.3. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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