https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|sndirsch@novell.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com Component|X.Org |X11 Applications QAContact|xorg-maintainer-bugs@forge.provo.novell.com |sndirsch@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c1 --- Comment #1 from Mike Fabian 2007-10-04 05:00:37 MST --- There is no such difference between 10.3 and 10.2 if you use version 2.19 of the DéjàVu fonts on both. This version of the DéjàVu fonts has the following font names: mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list : | grep DejaVu DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed,Book DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed Bold Italic,Bold Italic DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed Bold,Bold DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed Oblique,Oblique DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Serif:style=Bold Italic DejaVu Sans:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Sans:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed Bold Oblique,Bold Oblique DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Light:style=ExtraLight DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed,Book DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed Bold,Bold DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed Italic,Italic DejaVu Sans:style=Bold DejaVu Sans:style=Book DejaVu Serif:style=Italic DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Book DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold DejaVu Serif:style=Book DejaVu Serif:style=Bold mfabian@magellan:~$ rpm -q dejavu dejavu-2.19-1.5 mfabian@magellan:~$ Compare this with the font names of dejavu-2.10 as distributed originally on openSUSE 10.2: mfabian@boole:~$ rpm -q dejavu dejavu-2.10-16 mfabian@boole:~$ fc-list : | grep DejaVu DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Bold DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Bold DejaVu Sans:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Sans:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique DejaVu Serif:style=Oblique DejaVu Serif:style=Bold Oblique DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Light:style=ExtraLight DejaVu Sans:style=Bold DejaVu Sans:style=Book DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Book DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold DejaVu Serif:style=Book DejaVu Serif:style=Bold mfabian@boole:~$ -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c2 --- Comment #2 from Mike Fabian 2007-10-04 05:04:58 MST --- You see that in dejavu-2.19, the condensed fonts have 2 family names, "DejaVu Sans" *and* "DejaVu Sans Condensed": DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed,Book In the older dejavu-2.10 version, the font had only one family name, only "DejaVu Sans Condensed": DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed KDE apparently displays only the first family name, that’s why you don’t get the "Dejavu * Condensed" fonts listed anymore. Looks like a Qt or KDE problem to me. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c4 --- Comment #4 from Mike Fabian 2007-10-04 08:38:28 MST --- In the screen shot in comment #3 you can see that the Gnome font selector lists all styles available for a certain font. But the Qt3/4 and KDE font selectors list don’t list all styles as defined in the font. Qt3/4 and KDE have preconceptions about which styles may exist and try to map the styles which are really available in the font on this predefined list. Therefore, Qt3/4 and KDE don’t list all available styles and don’t display the style names as they are defined in the fonts. Comparison of the style names listed by KDE/Qt and the really available style names: Listed by KDE/Qt: Real style names: Light ExtraLight Light Oblique (doesn’t really exist, autogenerated by freetype) Normal Book Oblique Oblique Bold Bold Bold Oblique Bold Oblique - Condensed,Book - Condensed Bold,Bold - Condensed Oblique,Oblique I think it is not nice that Qt tries to map the style names onto a predefined list. Because of that, style names may appear under a different name than defined in the font (i.e. ‘Book’ appears as ‘Normal’) and unusual style names like ‘Condensed’ will be missing completely. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c6 --- Comment #6 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-07 04:45:40 MST --- For a similar problem see also bug #367188. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c8 --- Comment #8 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-10 06:06:59 MST --- Felix Miata> This problem does not exist on current i586 Factory in Felix Miata> Firefox or the KDE font selector. No, the problem persists in Factory. Neither in the KDE font selector nor in the Firefox font selection dialog, "DejaVu Sans Condensed" can be selected. Felix Miata> http://mrm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-narrow.html makes Felix Miata> it easy to test with a web browser. If you directly request the font "DejaVu Sans Condensed" as you do in your web page, you will get this font because: mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list "DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed" DejaVu Sans,DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed,Book mfabian@magellan:~$ i.e. the “Condensed” font has two names each, both for the family name and for the style name. The font has the family name “DejaVu Sans” as well as “DejaVu Sans Condensed” and the style names “Condensed” as well as “Book”. Therefore, xfd -fa "DejaVu Sans Condensed" or xfd -fa "DejaVu Sans:style=Condensed" will both display the “Condensed” version of “DejaVu Sans” and your web page works as well. But font selection dialogs like the one in Firefox and KDE display only the first family name¹ in the list of available family names, i.e. you cannot select the condensed font there using the family name. And the KDE font dialogs display only very few style names, therefore you cannot select the “Condensed” font using the style name either. This works in GTK2 applications, the GTK2 font selectors display all style names. But that is a rare exception, in the font selectors of most applications you cannot select these “Condensed” fonts at all (e.g. in OpenOffice you cannot select them either). -------------------- ¹ KDE displays translated family names if you run in a locale for that language, i.e. if a font has a family name translated into Japanese, KDE will display that translation (and *only* that translation) if you run in Japanese locale. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c10 --- Comment #10 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-10 07:45:22 MST --- Created an attachment (id=199901) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=199901) firefox-font-selection.png Firefox font selection (in Factory). You see that “DejaVu Sans” appears 3 times in the selection list. No matter which one of these you select, you won’t get the “Condensed” version. The dialog doesn’t offer to select the style anywhere. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mrmazda@ij.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c12 --- Comment #12 from Felix Miata 2008-03-10 10:01:40 MST --- Mike, do you have dejavu-2.23 or newer installed? I have 2.23-8. See "fixed bug which made Condensed fonts appear instead of normal width ones" on http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/News for v2.23. 2.24 has been released by the project yesterday. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c14 --- Comment #14 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 09:19:09 MST --- http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=courier.474372D1.000038E5%40softhome.net&forum_name=dejavu-fonts -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c16 Mike Fabian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mmeeks@novell.com --- Comment #16 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 09:35:15 MST --- Adding Michael Meeks to CC: because this problem also exists in OpenOffice. According to http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2008-March/002892.html there is a patch already available for OpenOffice which fixes this problem. Nicolas Mailhot> 2. OpenOffice.org gained some access to extended Nicolas Mailhot> faces in the past six months through a Fedora patch Nicolas Mailhot> (the UI still stinks but the base capability is Nicolas Mailhot> there, and UI aspects are being discussed now Nicolas Mailhot> upstream). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c18 Mike Fabian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |tbehrens@novell.com --- Comment #18 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 10:46:39 MST --- Adding Thorsten Behrens to CC: (OpenOffice). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c20 --- Comment #20 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 12:45:37 MST --- Created an attachment (id=200391) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=200391) qt4-bugreport I entered the attached bug report in http://trolltech.com/developer/bugreport-form asking for Qt4 to support such extended styles. And I found that such an issue is already in the Qt task tracker: http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=143304 Task Tracker - Entry Main page 143304 - Qt does not recognize all font styles Report type Bug Status? Open Resolution? Pending Product Qt Functional area Text handling Version found qt/main Priority? 1 - Highest Scheduled for? Some future release Description Fonts sometimes define their own styles. For example DejaVu Condensed Sans belongs now to the same family as DejaVu Sans with condensed as style. Qt does not recognize this. This also caused the following two KDE bugs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93574 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106604 This affects Qt 3 and Qt 4. History 2006-12-12 13:32 - Entry created 2007-01-05 16:29 - Priority changed to '1 - Highest' 2007-01-05 16:29 - Version for fix set to '4.3.0' 2007-04-12 17:36 - Version for fix set to '4.4.0 (Next Minor Release)' 2008-01-08 12:48 - Version for fix set to 'Some future release' -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c22 --- Comment #22 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 13:32:18 MST --- Felix Miata> To be clear, these results seem the expected result of Felix Miata> Opera & Konq built on QT that can't find but the four Felix Miata> traditional styles, Yes, this needs to be fixed in Qt. Felix Miata> while Epiphany & Gecko built on GTK have no such limitation. In applications using the standard GTK2 font selector it works. For example in gedit. It doesn’t work for me in Epiphany though (openSUSE Factory), Epiphany uses a font selection dialog very similar to the one in Firefox with the same limitations. The “Condensed” versions of “DejaVu Sans” are not selectable there. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c24 --- Comment #24 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 14:43:16 MST --- If you want to get the family names of older versions of the DejaVu fonts back, i.e. “DejaVu Sans Condensed" instead of “DejaVu Sans:style=Condensed”, you can create a /etc/fonts/local.conf as follows as a temporary *workaround*: mfabian@magellan:~$ cat /etc/fonts/local.conf <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd"> <!-- local system customization file --> <fontconfig> <match target="scan"> <test name="family" compare="eq"> <string>DejaVu Sans</string> </test> <test name="style" compare="eq"> <string>Condensed</string> <string>Condensed Bold</string> <string>Condensed Bold Oblique</string> <string>Condensed Oblique</string> </test> <edit name="family" mode="assign"> <string>DejaVu Sans Condensed</string> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> mfabian@magellan:~$ Run “/usr/sbin/fonts-config -v -f” or “fc-cache -v -f” as root after doing that. Then you have the old names of the Dejavu condensed fonts back. But that is only a *workaround* and I will *not* add this to the default SuSE fontconfig setup (for the reasons explained in the threads on the fontconfig and the dejavu mailing list: the applications need to be fixed, we can’t pile up such workaround for all such fonts). The name change in the DejaVu fonts was intentional, this is not a bug in the fonts. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c26 --- Comment #26 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 15:01:59 MST --- Felix Miata> That comment was meant only to say the Gecko on GTK Felix Miata> rendering engine products can find those fonts and render Felix Miata> them on web pages, while those built with QT cannot. You are right, I didn’t notice yet that e.g. Konqueror cannot even select “DejaVu Sans Condensed” if this family name is used in a web-page although it is an alternative (not the preferred) name of the font and therefore should also work if explicitly specified. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c28 --- Comment #28 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-11 15:19:56 MST --- Neither Konqueror4 nor Konqueror3 can select “DejaVu Sans Condensed” in a web-page¹. -------- ¹ without the fontconfig workaround of course! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c30 --- Comment #30 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-12 09:48:52 MST --- Created an attachment (id=200864) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=200864) ooo-character-dialog.png This dialog can be found in the menu of oowriter at Format → Character As you can see in the screenshot, the condensed variants of “DejaVu Sans” are already selectable here. Does this mean that the patch mentioned in the http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79878 bugreport is already applied in the OOo we have in Factory? Anyway, the condensed variants appear to be selectable at first glance in this dialog, but apparently they cannot be really selected. Selecting “Book” and “Condensed” will display exactly the same rendering result in the preview area at the bottom of this dialog. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c32 --- Comment #32 from Mike Fabian 2008-03-13 09:29:31 MST --- Yes, I can select the DejaVuSans-extraLight as well, but not Condensed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658#c34 --- Comment #34 from Mike Fabian 2008-08-15 16:58:33 MDT ---

So why not do that?

Because that would be a regression for programs which support the the preferred family names, for example Gnome. And, as Ben Laenen explained in the freedesktop bug, you cannot do that for commercial fonts anyway. So we need a different solution. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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