[Bug 769535] New: The clock time is wrong, but in my bios is ok.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c0 Summary: The clock time is wrong, but in my bios is ok. Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 12.2 Version: Beta 2 Platform: x86-64 OS/Version: openSUSE 12.2 Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Basesystem AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: smartinds@gmail.com QAContact: qa-bugs@suse.de Found By: --- Blocker: --- User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/13.0.1 I have in my bios a time (example: 16:08:00), but in OpenSUSE is 11:08:00. Well, I changed the time in KDE, all ok, but when I reboot the PC, the time still is wrong. I test with "Time Server - pool.ntp.org", also mannually, but nothing.... when I reboot the PC, the time still is wrong. Ah... my Time Zone is Lima - America/Peru. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |werner@suse.com |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c1 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |aj@suse.com, | |fcrozat@suse.com, | |werner@suse.com Component|Basesystem |Installation AssignedTo|werner@suse.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.pr | |ovo.novell.com --- Comment #1 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-07-04 07:25:02 UTC --- The time zone in BIOS has to be in UTC and nothing else. This because the system time used by the kernel has to be in UTC otherwise the local time in the user space defined by choosing the time zone wghich leads to the file /etc/localtime used by all user space tools due glibc API. If it is required that BIOS doe not use UTC but locatime due a second operation system which is not able to handle UTC in BIOS then the installation routine has to make sure that mkinitrd is executed to provide the correct configuration of the initrd boot image which then will inform the kernel about the broken BIOS clock and how to correct the kernel system clock. This has to happen before the root file system is checked. NB: the old boot.clock boot script is not active anymore and even if it will be not used by systemd. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c2 Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jsuchome@suse.com, | |ke@suse.com --- Comment #2 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-07-04 07:52:21 UTC --- @Karl: Please add a remark about CMOS clock and why it is better to use UTC in CMOS as the kernels reference system clock is within UTC. And also some notes how the user space does see localtime (due /etc/locatime as default and TZ as environment variable). Also add a warning about usgin localtime in CMOS as this requires a fragile chain of to be able to reset the kernels system clock to UTC in initrd to make sure that the file systems will touch with the correct timestamps. @Jiri: Something seems to be missed in yast2-country as this bug happens. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c3 --- Comment #3 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-07-04 07:58:07 UTC --- For reference my SDB article at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_the_clock -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jsuchome@suse.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c4 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |smartinds@gmail.com --- Comment #4 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2012-07-04 09:31:08 UTC --- Did you do anything with YaST, regardint the time settings? Please attach /etc/sysconfig/clock, /etc/adjtime and y2logs -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c5 --- Comment #5 from Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> 2012-07-04 12:10:53 UTC --- (In reply to comment #2)
@Karl: Please add a remark about CMOS clock and why it is better to use UTC in CMOS as the kernels reference system clock is within UTC. And also some notes how the user space does see localtime (due /etc/locatime as default and TZ as environment variable). Also add a warning about usgin localtime in CMOS as this requires a fragile chain of to be able to reset the kernels system clock to UTC in initrd to make sure that the file systems will touch with the correct timestamps.
@Jiri: Something seems to be missed in yast2-country as this bug happens.
If we can, I would suggest some kind of "warning / popup" when used uncheck "use UTC for hardware clock" to tell them it is unsafe and they should prefer running UTC for hardware clock (with reference to wiki or some documentation on how to configure Windows to work properly with UTC for hardware clock) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c6 --- Comment #6 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2012-07-04 12:15:57 UTC --- (In reply to comment #5)
If we can, I would suggest some kind of "warning / popup" when used uncheck...
We are already doing it. However, user hasn't mention using YaST do far. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c7 --- Comment #7 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2012-07-10 09:12:42 UTC --- Any news here? See comment 4 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c8 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED InfoProvider|smartinds@gmail.com | Resolution| |NORESPONSE --- Comment #8 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@suse.com> 2012-07-13 06:20:34 UTC --- No response. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c9 Hans Greif <hans-juergen.greif@kabelbw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hans-juergen.greif@kabelbw. | |de --- Comment #9 from Hans Greif <hans-juergen.greif@kabelbw.de> 2012-10-22 20:18:58 UTC --- Hi, I have a dual boot system windows7/opensuse12.2 and I have to work sometime under windows and private under opensuse 12.2. At each boot I have to set time! An old error I have had last in opensuse 9/10. This error let me thing to install ubuntu. Cheers, grepi -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c10 --- Comment #10 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2012-10-23 06:41:09 UTC --- (In reply to comment #9) And how does Ubuntu solve the problem that the internal system clock of the Linux kernel has to run in UTC to be able to have local time in user space? Guess: They simply ignore that the file systems including the root file system should be mounted in the correct time zone. Please note that before accessing the file systems the clock in the kernel should be in UTC and therefore the userspace clock in the corect local time. Simply to avoid broken time stamps which could lead to files located in the future and data loose. Beside this Windows7[tm] can handle BIOS clock set to UTC, see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_the_clock -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c11 matthias sweertvaegher <matthias.sweertvaegher@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |matthias.sweertvaegher@gmai | |l.com --- Comment #11 from matthias sweertvaegher <matthias.sweertvaegher@gmail.com> 2013-01-13 15:11:41 UTC --- read this page to know the status of utc hw clock on windows: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html windows is not ready yet. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c12 --- Comment #12 from Hans Greif <hans-juergen.greif@kabelbw.de> 2013-01-13 17:39:25 UTC --- Hello to all, I have deleted default approach to boot from bios in opensuse 12.2 and have chosen de.pool.ntp.org to call clocktime at boot time. Linux have now correct time. On booting Windows 7, clock time is false, but I am using Linux for more 90 % of computer time I use this as a workaround. cheers grepi -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c13 --- Comment #13 from matthias sweertvaegher <matthias.sweertvaegher@gmail.com> 2013-01-13 19:24:33 UTC --- I use this guy's advice: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-10/msg00241.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769535#c14 --- Comment #14 from Dr. Werner Fink <werner@suse.com> 2013-01-14 07:50:34 UTC --- (In reply to comment #11) What is wrong with https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_the_clock#Other_OS -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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