[Bug 443273] New: Installation Language Changes Auto Changing Keyboard Layout Option without any Real Logic o first Install Screen
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 Summary: Installation Language Changes Auto Changing Keyboard Layout Option without any Real Logic o first Install Screen Product: openSUSE 11.0 Version: Final Platform: x86-64 OS/Version: openSUSE 11.0 Status: NEW Severity: Critical Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au QAContact: jsrain@novell.com Found By: Customer The First Install Screen Presents Language and Keyboard selection that automatically applies to the other field that has changed. For Example if you need to use a US Keyboard a USA Dictionary default into place. Like Wise if you need to use a UK Keyboard to UK Dictionary auto changes the language module setting. This automated function of tying both fields together only benefits 2 English Speaking Countries in the world. Every other English -UK Speaking Country will also always want a US Keyboard and this is where this all falls apart. The mass common use of a Natural US Keyboard will always be selected for every other English Speaking country outside of the UK, but outside the US no English speaking country will want a US dictionary as it is so far away from an acceptable Dictionary due to very large discrepancies. There is NO logic in tying the two fields together. I have up-rated the bug priority in the hope it is not too late to remove this auto selection between just two fields and I cannot log this bug against 11.1 as I am not a tester of beta Releases. Without close attention, this simple auto action, can causes great problems down the track if the user had not noticed that the Keyboard was auto changed when the Selected Language was UK English and they live outside the UK. - Like the rest of Oceania, Pacific Islands, New Zealand, Australia, parts of the Russia and many many more other countries - they all use a US Keyboard but will only use a UK Dictionary. Whilst English remains the most widely spoken language on the planet - only the inhabitants of the US will ever want the US dictionary. If Nothing Else it shows the world market that OpenSuse is a global solution and not a US/UK Monopoly. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |yast2-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 Ján Kupec <jkupec@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jsuchome@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c1 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Critical |Normal Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au --- Comment #1 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2008-11-11 01:03:55 MST --- Honestly, I do not understand where you see the problem. But I remember we had such discussion before. (In reply to comment #0 from Scott Couston)
The First Install Screen Presents Language and Keyboard selection that automatically applies to the other field that has changed. For Example if you need to use a US Keyboard a USA Dictionary default into place.
Like Wise if you need to use a UK Keyboard to UK Dictionary auto changes the language module setting.
I assume by "Dictionary" you mean the Language settings. If you change the keyboard, there's no change of language. Only if you select new language, YaST automatically preselects the keyboard layout.
This automated function of tying both fields together only benefits 2 English Speaking Countries in the world.
No. Most non-english languages benefit from the default, because when you change the language, the keyboard is mapped to the language.
Every other English -UK Speaking Country will also always want a US Keyboard and this is where this all falls apart.
If you want to have UK English as a language and US Keyboard, yes, there's no way YaST can select this combination automatically. Is this the problem you are describing?
The mass common use of a Natural US Keyboard will always be selected for every other English Speaking country outside of the UK, but outside the US no English speaking country will want a US dictionary as it is so far away from an acceptable Dictionary due to very large discrepancies.
There is NO logic in tying the two fields together.
There is: see above - for most languages and regions it works.
I have up-rated the bug priority in the hope it is not too late to remove this auto selection between just two fields and I cannot log this bug against 11.1 as I am not a tester of beta Releases.
Without close attention, this simple auto action, can causes great problems down the track if the user had not noticed that the Keyboard was auto changed when the Selected Language was UK English and they live outside the UK. - Like the rest of Oceania, Pacific Islands, New Zealand, Australia, parts of the Russia and many many more other countries - they all use a US Keyboard but will only use a UK Dictionary.
Whilst English remains the most widely spoken language on the planet - only the inhabitants of the US will ever want the US dictionary.
See: the first selection in the dialog we are speaking about is the language. If someone wants the US English, he selects "English (US)" as language and can't be surprised when the keyboard layout is automatically selected to US. If anyone wants to use British English, he must select "English (UK)" and here the logical selection for keyboard is the UK one. If you want to have US keyboard, it is just one more click in the keyboard layout selection. We can't please anyone, and I think there are still more people in UK than in other British English speaking countries together. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c2 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au | --- Comment #2 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-11-11 15:00:22 MST --- Tying the two fields together only works for people who speak English and live in the USA and UK - no where else! Living in one such country where this is a problem I would be irresponsible not to write a bug on it -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c3 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au --- Comment #3 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2008-11-11 15:25:25 MST --- (In reply to comment #2 from Scott Couston)
Tying the two fields together only works for people who speak English and live in the USA and UK - no where else!
No, it also works for non-english speaking people.
Living in one such country where this is a problem I would be irresponsible not to write a bug on it
Well, and do you have any proposal for how could it be better for Australians? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c4 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |RESOLVED Info Provider|alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au | Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #4 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-11-11 15:35:09 MST --- Closed due dialog neither helpful nor constructive -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c5 --- Comment #5 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2008-11-11 23:36:52 MST --- The resolution is correct, but why didn't you try to react to any specific comment/question of mine? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c6 --- Comment #6 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-11-12 14:05:36 MST --- As Stated - The Only two English Speaking Countries in the world where the logic of tying the two fields together are the UK and USA cannot be understood after so much discussion the bug is invalid. Every other English speaking country will continue to Select a US Keyboard and retain uppercase 4 as $ and change the dictionary to a UK one. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273 User jsuchome@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443273#c7 --- Comment #7 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2008-11-13 00:11:41 MST --- The ones who do not like the default selection, have to do the keyboard selection manually, yes. That's the point of having some default behavior. You haven't bring any alternative solution. The only alternative I see is to remove the default selection at all (and probably move the keyboard selection to another screen). With this, no one would benefit from the default and everyone would have to do manual selection. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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