https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c1 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |fehr@novell.com --- Comment #1 from Stephan Kulow 2007-07-21 00:53:57 MST --- Does yast2-storage trigger that package on fuse partions? Michael said libzypp does not yet support file system packages due to a bug, but looks worth a check -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c3 --- Comment #3 from Péter Kerékfy 2007-07-23 07:08:58 MST --- I think I was wrong last time. The ntfsprogs-fuse package is not needed at all because it contains an obsolate version of the ntfsprogs driver. This driver does not have full write support for NTFS filesystems. The real ntfs-3g package is missing from the alpha6 DVD at all. It is located at http://software.opensuse.org/download/filesystems/openSUSE_Factory/. So please include this RPM on the DVD and in the default installation too. And I think it is time to update the ntfs-3g RPM package to the latest stable release: 1.710 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420 Matej Horvath changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |adrian@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team- |bk@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420 Bernhard Kaindl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blocks| |293431 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c7 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info Provider|coolo@novell.com |bk@novell.com --- Comment #7 from Stephan Kulow 2007-08-02 05:31:49 MST --- ntfs-3g is on the media and is trigged by yast if there is a NTFS partition (possibly still broken due to libzypp). ntfsprogs-fuse is the old way afaik and doesn't need to be any media. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c9 Péter Kerékfy changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #9 from Péter Kerékfy 2007-08-03 01:24:03 MST --- ntfs-3g package is still not included in the default package selection so it is not installed by default. Bernhard described the situation well in comment #5. We need ntfs-3g even if the system does not have any ntfs partitions at the time of the installation because external usb harddisk are often formatted to ntfs. So I reopen this bug and I suggest to install ntfs-3g anyways. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c11 Tim Fechtner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Major --- Comment #11 from Tim Fechtner 2007-08-09 15:42:45 MST --- Setting severity to mayor, because this is a big regression to 10.2: The user can't read anymore NTFS volumes with a standard installation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c13 --- Comment #13 from Jarl Friis 2007-08-10 00:02:41 MST --- (In reply to comment #5 from Bernhard Kaindl)

PS, a short personal note of my use of NTFS-3g: To access all my external USB disks, I've been using ext2 drivers for Windows so far, but they are not maintained anymore and have bugs which cause some Windows XP installation to bluescreen and are corrupting the ext2 filesystems also, so I'm switching to ntfs-3g for all my external USB disks (which have a capacity of nearly 3TB currently...), using ntfs-3g as the only interoperability solution in that area which looks good, so I see no alternative to ntfs-3g for me.

Personally, I create a large fat32 partion on those external disks using the tools on linux since they can create FAT32 filesystems larger than the tools on windows can do. Anyway I am looking forward to have the new ntfs-3g package being default selected in future SuSE dists. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c15 --- Comment #15 from Bernhard Kaindl 2007-08-12 01:54:21 MST --- I just closed bug 297043 as duplicate of this bug. In it's initial comment, the reporter provided a screenshot of "konqueror sysinfo:/" from Alpha 7, at least that's what the bug is opened against. It shows "ntfs-3g" as Filesystem label of disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6Y0060L.... I think that the information source for this line in the sysinfo was an entry in /etc/fstab which YaST2 created during installation and because of sume bug (which I think we fixed meanwhile), ntfs-3g was not installed when YaST2 made that entry. So I think the issue of not being able to mount NTFS partitions in the same customary way as it works in 10.2 should be fixed by really when yast2-storage requests installation of ntfs-3g when it adds an fstab entry for it. On the other hand, we could reduce the impact of any remaining bug in the area of installing ntfs-3g thru yast2-storage by adding ntfs-3g to the KDE and GNOME package selections. Adding ntfs-3g to the GNOME and KDE package selections would also be needed when we want to go forward with the approach of bug 293433 where we aim to change the fstype of NTFS partitions in HAL to ntfs-3g to allow HAL-assisted mounting of NTFS partitions in wead-write mode. BTW: I tested the HAL approach with our latest HAL and it works with gnome-volume-manager as backend. If KDE's mediamanger kioslave does the same, then e.g. automounting of external USB disk with NTFS partitions should also be working in KDE. I'll write more on that into bug 293433. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c17 Bernhard Kaindl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | Summary|include ntfs-3g on all |include the the GNOME and KDE package |CDs/DVDs and the default |selections/patterns |package selections/patterns | --- Comment #17 from Bernhard Kaindl 2007-08-12 12:29:58 MST --- Hi coolo, you closed this bug as fixed but only said:

And ntfs-3g is on all media now

Whether ntfs-3g is on all media or not was was not the question why this bug has been reopened by Péter Kerékfy in comment #9:

ntfs-3g package is still not included in the default package selection so it is not installed by default.

Bernhard described the situation well in comment #5. We need ntfs-3g even if the system does not have any ntfs partitions at the time of the installation because external usb harddisk are often formatted to ntfs.

So I reopen this bug and I suggest to install ntfs-3g anyways.

You also said:

293433 asks for a HAL change within the ntfs-3g package.

Meanwhile, after further testing and also finding a report which matches what we see, where the developer who answered made things clear, I found that it's better integrate these ntfs-3g storage policies directly into the hal package. I described this now it 293433#c12 . You also said:

And as long as installing ntfs-3g triggers actions on boot, I'm very much declined to install it.

It's fixed in the rebuild which was triggered Friday evening which has the package branch-off from fuse into libfuse2, so now you can uninstall fuse, and it's no longer pulled into the selections by ntfs-3g or compiz, so now you can add it to the selection without adding to the code which run while booting the system. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293420#c18 --- Comment #18 from Tim Fechtner 2007-08-13 02:08:40 MST --- As described in comment #5:

We need ntfs-3g even if the system does not have any ntfs partitions at the time of the installation because external usb harddisk are often formatted to ntfs.

So I don't understand why we need ntfs-3g also in the KDE and GNOME selections when it is installed anyway. Also when you have a system without X, ntfs-3g is usefull! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.