https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User mmeeks@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c1 Michael Meeks changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mmeeks@novell.com Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |cschum@novell.com --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks 2008-05-19 04:40:21 MST --- the question is: which package selector, gtk+ or qt: can you attach a screenshot ? :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User rvojcik@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c3 Robert Vojcik changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |tgoettlicher@novell.com Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|cschum@novell.com | --- Comment #3 from Robert Vojcik 2008-05-22 08:36:36 MST --- Please next time remove NEEDINFO status by selecting "This comment/atachment provides ..." checkbox after supplying needed information. Reassigning to maintainer. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User jimmac@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c5 Jakub Steiner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|jimmac@novell.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com --- Comment #5 from Jakub Steiner 2008-06-03 07:46:35 MDT --- When I created the status icons* for the package manager I clearly stated that it's impossible to create a clear metaphor for these and they need to be accompanied by a text label. This whole UI approach is problematic and isn't fixable by creating 'better' icons. You can take effort to make the symbols distinguishable but there's nothing that you can show to 10 people and have them tell you 'this means it's an implicit dependency'. My only suggestion is to revert to the old set if you feel like this is a regression (I absolutely hate the lack of alpha channel and the associated ghosting visible on the screenshot too). * http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/install-status.png -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User sh@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c6 --- Comment #6 from Stefan Hundhammer 2008-06-05 06:02:12 MDT --- (In reply to comment #5 from Jakub Steiner)

When I created the status icons* for the package manager I clearly stated that it's impossible to create a clear metaphor for these

Coming from an icon designer, I find that hard to believe.

and they need to be accompanied by a text label.

An icon that _needs_ a text label is utterly worthless - it only clutters the screen.

This whole UI approach is problematic

Huh?

and isn't fixable by creating 'better' icons. You can take effort to make the symbols distinguishable but there's nothing that you can show to 10 people and have them tell you 'this means it's an implicit dependency'.

Of course, like with all icons everywhere in every application, there is some kind of learning curve involved. It helps when icons have some mental connection to whatever it is they represent, but that only makes it easier to memorize what icon means what. But you still have to memorize it. For certain kinds of abstract ideas there is just no clear real-world counterpart - nothing that could be represented by an icon or image, let alone with just a couple of pixels. In those cases, just about any icon will do, provided that it's recognizable after the user has gone through the memorizing process.

My only suggestion is to revert to the old set if you feel like this is a regression

We are certainly not going to change it back again at this phase. And once the distro is released, there will be hundreds of thousands of users getting accustomed to those new icons. After that, going back to the previous icon set would be even more ill-advised. Not only would that make us look very stupid, the users would have to un-learn the new icons and get used to the old ones again.

(I absolutely hate the lack of alpha channel and the associated ghosting visible on the screenshot too).

I absolutely hate applications getting unusable because externally-loaded icons are not available for one reason or the other. That's why we stick with XPMs. And they also support transparency; just not a full-fledged 8 bit alpha channel. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User sh@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c8 Stefan Hundhammer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |dmacvicar@novell.com --- Comment #8 from Stefan Hundhammer 2008-06-05 06:17:46 MDT --- Duncan, I vote for WONTFIX. Coolo seems to have the same opinion. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c11 --- Comment #11 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-06-09 11:02:08 MDT --- Stefan, ad.7 -- you should try to see those on my screen (1400x1050), I cannot tell the difference between autoupdate and autoinstall because the difference is, uh, 5 pixels maybe. It is easy to distinguish for sharpshooters maybe but normal user won't hurt his/her eyes just to spot this green pixel that makes the difference.). Btw. my report is linked as duplicate but I don't see any clear wish here -- my wish was to add tooltips. And there is reason for it -- ask any user what an arrow with three dots means. The current icon set is meaningless. That is the problem #1. The problem #2 is they are small, fat and fuzzy and it is hard to say which icon is which (but that's another story). Comparing to KDE artwork... So ad.8 -- if this is a WONTFIX it is won't fix what exactly? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976 User sh@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391976#c13 --- Comment #13 from Stefan Hundhammer 2008-06-10 05:51:21 MDT --- *** Bug 398563 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=398563 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.