[Bug 293793] New: xmag does not work
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793 Summary: xmag does not work Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Alpha 6 Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: X.Org AssignedTo: mfabian@novell.com ReportedBy: coolo@novell.com QAContact: sndirsch@novell.com CC: lrupp@novell.com Found By: --- This is to track the lack of xorg-x11-fonts (40MB) from the one CD installation. The "9x13bold" font in this case is missing. We need to either reduce the size of the xorg-x11-fonts package or fix all X packages on the CD to use fonts we ship. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c1 --- Comment #1 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-23 05:07:37 MST --- Mike will check if the package size can be reduced. It would be worthwhile to figure the list of X apps and which fonts they require too. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c2 --- Comment #2 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-23 05:16:13 MST ---
This is to track the lack of xorg-x11-fonts (40MB) from the one CD installation. .. which obviously was a stupid idea, which needs to be reverted!
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c3 --- Comment #3 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-23 05:24:41 MST --- It won't be. There aren't that many X apps we need - xmag can easily be dropped too from that install. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c5 --- Comment #5 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-23 05:53:13 MST --- I would love to hear an answer to this: Why are apps as xclock, xedit, xeyes and xmag in the same package as important requirements?? Perhaps we should start with that problem. I would even go as far as claiming that any tool that requires bitmap fonts isn't required on a lean desktop installation - exceptions only confirm the rule. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c6 --- Comment #6 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-23 06:18:44 MST --- Users expect them to be in this package. Which are the important requirements in xorg-x11 package for you? So each package, which includes Xapps, which still need bitmap fonts need to require the "big" bitmap font package in the future. Is this what you request? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c7 --- Comment #7 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-23 06:31:21 MST --- if there is no way to trim down to the bitmap font package: yes, this is what I request. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c8 --- Comment #8 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-23 07:48:26 MST --- This would be a stupid request. I'm afraid we still would get bugreports for SLES12 for packages, which still forget to specifiy this requirement. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c9 --- Comment #9 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2007-07-23 12:11:37 MST --- The nicest solution for applications like “xmag”, “xfd”, ... would be to rewrite them to use fontconfig/Xft for their menus. That would make sure that they always get a decent font because "fc-match sans" should always find something reasonable. Currently they use bitmap fonts via the X11 core font system. With this system, there is no other way but to hardcode font names. Unless you use "fixed", you can never be sure wether this hardcoded font name is really there if fonts disappear at random in some products. The only other alternative besides using "fixed" or rewriting the apps to use fontconfig/Xft would be to change their app-default files with SuSEconfig and put a reasonably good font which is available into the app-defaults. But that would be a very nasty hack. Rewriting to use Xft would be much nicer. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c10 --- Comment #10 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-23 14:06:09 MST --- I doubt that anybody will ever rewrite all these legacy apps to use fontconfig/Xft. Think of 3rd party apps as well. Rewriting with SuSEconfig all the app-default files depending on the fonts currenly installed would be a pain. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c11 --- Comment #11 from Dirk Mueller <dmueller@novell.com> 2007-07-23 16:07:32 MST --- in case of xmag this is already done: its called kmag ;) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c12 --- Comment #12 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-24 08:28:50 MST --- Created an attachment (id=152670) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=152670) list of required fonts (according to mike) Mike and me think we only need the misc/ and the unicode fonts. The rest can go into another sumo package. How to split the rest I don't mind, but we should have a way to only add the required list of fonts. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c13 --- Comment #13 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-24 09:10:19 MST ---
list of required fonts (according to mike)
Mike and me think we only need the misc/ and the unicode fonts. In Mike's list there are also 75dpi/ and non-unicode fonts, which confuses me. I need more details before I can work on this.
The rest can go into another sumo package. Maybe it would be better to move the "required" fonts from xorg-x11-fonts to xorg-fonts-core instead, so we won't need to introduce another subpackage?
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c14 --- Comment #14 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-24 09:16:00 MST --- we need the unicode fonts from 75dpi and the fonts in misc. And we need to fix an apps that still live in 8859-* world - but we should do that anyway. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c15 --- Comment #15 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-24 09:30:13 MST ---
we need the unicode fonts from 75dpi and the fonts in misc. This would be about 3,8 MB for 75dpi and 8,2 MB for misc/. Compressed about 8,9 MB.
And we need to fix any apps that still live in 8859-* world - but we should do that anyway. Right, but that's a different issue.
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c16 --- Comment #16 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-24 09:49:03 MST --- 8.9MB are better than 40MB - and if you now split out "sample apps" like xclock, xedit and xeyes away from xorg-x11 we'd only need to squeeze a net sum of 8,7MB on the CD. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c17 --- Comment #17 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:02:10 MST --- Created an attachment (id=152697) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=152697) bugzilla-293793-do-not-insist-on-iso8859-fonts-for-the-menu.patch Patch for xterm to avoid requiring the an iso8859* version of adobe-helvetica for the menus. The menus are ASCII only anyway at the moment, it doesn't matter at all whether a Unicode font (iso10646-1) or any of the iso8859* fonts is used, they are all identical in the ASCII region anyway. Using the iso* wildcard makes xterm work even if the recoded versions of the bitmap fonts are missing in a minimal installation and only the Unicode versions are there. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c18 --- Comment #18 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:04:49 MST --- BTW, I'm currently working xorg-x11-fonts.spec. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c19 --- Comment #19 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:20:20 MST --- happy vacation :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c20 --- Comment #20 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:37:54 MST --- xorg-x11-fonts submitted to STABLE. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c21 --- Comment #21 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:41:49 MST --- xterm-228 with the patch from comment #17 submitted to STABLE/Factory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c22 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #22 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2007-07-24 10:49:51 MST --- Looks like you already submitted xterm for STABLE. So let's close this one now. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c23 Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dickey@his.com --- Comment #23 from Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> 2007-07-25 10:54:26 MST --- Thomas, please have a look at comment #17. Maybe it is useful to apply that patch to xterm upstream? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293793#c24 --- Comment #24 from Thomas Dickey <dickey@his.com> 2007-07-25 14:28:13 MST --- perhaps (while I'm aware of performance problems with Xaw, those are from a different aspect - fontsets). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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