https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 Alexey Eremenko changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blocks| |347240 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User al4321@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c1 --- Comment #1 from Alexey Eremenko 2008-01-23 02:37:36 MST --- Another corner use-case, in which introducing delays into GFX GRUB will help to solve a real-world problem: 3. TV: most Televisions support 640x480 resolution, so it is very hard to install an OS via GRUB that way, unless you remember all the choices. NOTE: This use case came from: Dominique Leuenberger -Technologov -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User snwint@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c2 --- Comment #2 from Steffen Winterfeldt 2008-01-24 11:05:23 MST --- ad 1) The serial port thing needs a bit work; but I've got similar requests already and it's certainly interesting to do. I'd just need the time. ad 2) It's not big real mode but indeed kvm has a bit of a problem with real mode/protected mode switches as intel's vt makes it really tricky for programmers. gfxboot in 11.0 has a workaround. ad 3) The 640x480 request is really rare. I've only heard of one or two corner cases so far. gfxboot in fact _has_ a 640x480 fallback layout in case 800x600 is not available. So if your BIOS would say that 800x600 is not supported, you'd get the lower res (some onboard graphics that reserve very little video memory in fact do this). Unfortunately the typical Video BIOS doesn't care at all about display capabilities. That said, currently the only way to go straight into text mode is to hold down SHIFT during bootloader startup. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User al4321@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c4 --- Comment #4 from Alexey Eremenko 2008-01-24 11:20:32 MST ---

ad 1) The serial port thing needs a bit work; but I've got similar requests already and it's certainly interesting to do. I'd just need the time.

The so-called similar request, was also opened by me. Bug #347240.

ad 2) It's not big real mode but indeed kvm has a bit of a problem with real mode/protected mode switches as intel's vt makes it really tricky for programmers. gfxboot in 11.0 has a workaround.

Link please, where it explains about the 11.0 workaround. Why "ad" ? "ad" is a short-word for advertisement, while I told only facts, not "ads". This request about delays into GFX GRUB are just an optional solution to the several problems users have with openSUSE 10.3. Better solutions might exist. Bottom line: if all 3 problems can be fixed in better ways, then we might consider closing this bug as WONTFIX. -Technologov, 24.01.2008 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User snwint@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c6 --- Comment #6 from Steffen Winterfeldt 2008-01-25 03:40:31 MST --- BTW, I didn't know about bug 347240. So you are not alone. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User dominique.leuenberger@tmf-group.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c8 --- Comment #8 from Dominique Leuenberger 2008-02-19 09:55:08 MST --- I actually think that the (newly learnt by me)option to press SHIFT during grub initialization is enough to solve this. IT should prominently be marked in the wiki/readmes (and printed manual) on possible solutions should the graphical menu fail to start. Then I don't see much reason for a delay in the loader itself. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User al4321@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c10 --- Comment #10 from Alexey Eremenko 2008-02-22 05:13:52 MST --- update: There is a customer with VIA Eden platform, that GFXboot loads initially into text mode, but unfortunately when he presses enter, GFX GRUB loads, which is incorrect. When GRUB loads into text-mode, there must be an option to load Yast (setup) into Text mode too. -Technologov -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User al4321@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c12 --- Comment #12 from Alexey Eremenko 2008-03-06 01:48:57 MST --- Hi people ! I have a new usecase: 4. Qemu/KVM has the new option of doing text (ncurses) based rendering of the OS. (it is related to case 2, but not the same) Unfortunately, current openSUSE (10.2/10.3/11.0-Alpha2) always use a graphical GRUB, which makes it impossible to install openSUSE this way. There is no time to press "shift" key. Please make it like Windows XP's five points when booting from CD/DVD: BIOS -> "....." (5 seconds of wait) -> load GFX GRUB (if no key was pressed) -or- -> Load TextMode GRUB (if any key was pressed). It is both much more obvious way than "shift" is(current workaround), plus it works it more corner cases, where "shift" fails.. To reproduce corner case 4, you will need latest Qemu(CVS) or KVM (63+). /usr/local/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -curses -cdrom /SUSE-11.0-Alpha2.iso -Technologov, 6.3.2008. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236 User al4321@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347236#c14 --- Comment #14 from Alexey Eremenko 2008-03-06 03:52:10 MST --- Yes, I agree, but it's not that simple, because it emulates standard Cirrus Logic video card. Alternative video card can be developed, but it's complex and long process. But my solution for the bootloader is a real fix that covers a many possible problems + it's more intuitive and user-friendly, than "shift". -Technologov, 6.3.2008. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.