https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428162 User bobharvey@europe.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428162#c12 --- Comment #12 from Robert Harvey <bobharvey@europe.com> 2008-09-29 13:37:11 MDT --- The tips sound simple. Tips might help with "I think the vocabulary 'group' and 'pattern' is not self-evident." That seems to be my root problem - there is something Humpty-Dumpty in the way the words are used. Some explanation - either by pop-up, or a small footnote on the panel, might make it clearer. Perhaps just starting in "Patterns" by default rather than "Group". Speaking as a maths graduate, I am still not clear what your groups are groups of, that your patterns are not. Maybe simplifying the words themselves would be all that is required? What were they called in 8.2? I don't remember this confusion then. I must say that the suggestions in Comment #10 are very interesting. As far as I understand it, like most GUI, the software manager is just a human-readable interface to zypper. So there could be another one - the simple one-button installer for popular or large scale projects - with a "more" button that calls the existing one. Or the shadow applications that self-install would be another interface. Clever. A lot of recent magazines about naive windows-linux conversion have concentrated on how surprised the unsuspecting are by the very idea of repositories and software managers. Perhaps a "catalogue" paradigm, like a paper mail-order catalogue, could be presented by some of these fantastic UI designers? A coloured section called "KDE" with 'get the base system' as a page-repeated heading, or tag, and with lots of individual applications with screen shots and writeups on each page. Differently coloured sections for gnome, mathematical tools, office applications, amateur radio, farming? That would have solved my problem, and help the newcomer to snuggle in more easily? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.