https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649 ------- Comment #18 from marcio.ferreira@gmail.com 2006-10-30 21:19 MST -------
This dispute is pointless.
I agree with you. Im waiting for Novell's people Minerva's vite and I ask myself which of the 2 pathways its goin to be: the logic or the politics.
I believe that releasing version n+1 of a distribution again with fundamental changes in the default offered update >tools after version n already had fundamental changes won't work, I believe >that again throwing working tools away in favor of basically untested ones at the beginning of Beta won't work,
I have faith... It has worked before. See 10.1, with the introduction of new PM stack just weeks before release.
I believe that people hate zmd because it has been shipped unfinished
I hate it because its a damn heavy system that is used to connect to a Zen server that my machine will never ever not once in whole life time ever ever ever ever ever connect or be aware of one of those. Just like thousands of other opensuse 10.2 and suse linux 10.1 boxes out there.
and I believe that people will hate any other tools, too, if they are shipped unfinished,
If they have decent performance I think they will like, and if they dont look like a computer crash, too.
and I believe that something like "bugs don't matter, just work around them" won't work because it did already fail with 10.1 (10.1 and its zmd _are_ usable as well if you're willing to work around the bugs).
If nobody sees it, its not a bug.
with 10.1 (10.1 and its zmd _are_ usable as well if you're willing to work around the bugs).
Everytime zmd or the helpers run I have the impression my computer crashed, and I go check if keyboard works, dmesg and if theres a process causing load. Just saw that happen again when installing beta1 and update-status was running (forgot to remove zmd from install list). If it was a server, and it from time to time just get 100% cpu at random times, damn, I would be completely out of my mind.
Things like "99.99997895% of the users agree with my point" or "only 0.0067% are negatively affected" are not a productive way to discuss things (yeah, 99.99997895% want to compile everything with -ffast-math...)
I doubt, this is not the gentoo bugzilla
, of course you'll get a ****load of bug reports if zypp likes to forget people's security update repos, but you're not one of the 0.0067% people who actually have to handle/fix/deal with them...
We have more people asking how to share files via samba than your situation, for example. I see this as a problem, but I think about another problem, which is people trying 10.2 and saying "yeah, as 10.1 showed, this distribution completely sucks", which is a lot of people, since only now after 10.1 novell discovered they had a marketing team. With the slashdot ads we've got lots of people installing 10.1, crashing it (as thanks to zmd unpatched it simply destroys it self, and this time its not a matter of reading a source, as this was critical and would leave the system in unusable state unless you start deleting files in /var - too much for a newbie, right) Thats what people should think when taking decisions, and making this release is to take decisions. Take a decision based on all information you have. Resources are always limited, taking decisions is minimizing the problems. So is democracy, so its kernel development (just heard alan cox saying that if some bug was there and nobody could see it or trigger it, its because its not a bug - again, taking decisions is a compromise about whats less worse to do. Have some good faith and good will to make the necessary changes. Don't say its not possible. We have had what? 7.3, 8.0, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 and 10.0 working without zmd. And 10.1 with zmd, that is worse than every previous suse release. What can I say... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.