https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=285101#c23 --- Comment #23 from Bernhard Kaindl <bk@novell.com> 2007-07-30 10:06:47 MST --- Thanks Péter, you mentioned SMTP as one of the examples of a basic service which is started at boot. I have to disagree on that point because I use exim as MTA and by default - it's init script does not run at boot by default, and mail programs still send mails locally thru the provided /usr/sbin/sendmail and I have no SMTP running at all. This means that mails can't be sent through the SMTP port, but programs use /usr/sbin/sendmail just fine. So even though one can say that mail is the most basic service, sending mail through the sendmail mechanism works even without any initialization at boot. Having installed fuse because of some dependency does not meen automatically that the system administrator already wants users to be able to mount their own filesystems. Usability (requriement used by Miklos in comment #21 ) is another word for user-friendlyness, or for ease of use, but the aim for ease of use may potentially conflict with what the adminstrator allows the users to do. For you, fuse may be such a basic service that you need it on all your systems and do not want to chkconfig -a fuse;/etc/init.d/fuse start on all systems and you may not want to add that line to the FAQ (or add it to the message which gets printed when fuse is not loaded, unless it's really as widely required as printing, I'd still say that it should not be loaded by default simply because the fuse users are still (at least I guess so) rather a minority compared to all openSUSE users. While it's your everday use and while I believe that the initial security holes in fuse should be mostly ironed out now, filesystems mounted by users is IMHO still a rather unexplored field. For me, it seems to make little sense to initialize fuse on every boot when there is no rpm installed which would need to have it installed at boot, and I also think that it should be an administrator's willful decision to allow users to mount filesystems. A few years ago, free software distributions were indeed very lax when regarding starting services, e.g. it was standard configuration that inetd and SMTP were running and telnet access was enabled, even SMTP relaying was enabled by default often (which has given spammers an easy start), but over the years it has proven necessary to be more restrictive in what to start and what to permit by default. For sure, this has not improved usability, but I think it valid to think that not every system admin may want allow it's users to mount filesystems. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.