https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216097 ------- Comment #18 from sven.burmeister@gmx.net 2006-11-11 12:13 MST -------
Why? I do not get this point.
Comment #6 states: "SUSEWatcher only checked for patches. We don't encourage users to upgrade packages of released versions if they are not official problem patches." This was the answer to me asking why updated packages (not patches) are not shown. Yet comment 13 states: "I did NOT like zen updater because it showed updated packages from all sources and not just security patches, which are the only ones I want to know about immediately." He is not talking about optional packages, but just that he dislikes that zen-updater shows updated packages from all sources. If he only had Installation CD + patch-source (suse-updates), he would not say _all_ sources. Hence he must have more than installation CD + patch-source. This means that whether the tool is showing updated packages or just patches has nothing to do with encouraging people to use thrid party repos. Of course there are those problems you mentioned, yet arguing that one will only show patches because not doing so is encouraging the use of third-party repos is just plain bogus and does not leave the choice to the user, where it belongs. Just showing patches is simply for the reason you state, i.e. to be able to distinguish between optional patch and updated package. I wonder why one cannot compare the version-numbers of am optional patch and an updated package and if they match, treat the package as optional, but that is OT for this bug.
I'm confused.
Comment #8 states: "opensuse updater has also a zypp backend. This was done in reaction of community request that lot of people don't have the use case or need to run Zenworks daemon, so the zypp backend access the system directly and show available patches (replicating the functionality of the old susewatcher." To me it states that opensuseupdater with the zypp backend was created because a lot of people did not have a use case or need to run the zmd daemon. This implies that opensuswatcher should enable those people to no longer be forced to run zmd, if they use opesusewatcher with zypp backend. Yet starting zmd by default does force them to do so, at least to manually disable it. You are right, that the latter has nothing to do with third party repos.
From my point of view opensusupdater was created to give the user the choice to choose between only security updates (suse 10.0) and all packages (suse 10.1). It would be really nice if the latter would work without zmd, but I am not sure about that.
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