Hi, Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people. Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect. What do you think? Doable? Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 22 November 2010 09:45:57 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Hi,
Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people.
Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect.
What do you think? Doable?
An additional idea: We could also make some mailing lists mandatory when joining a group, e.g. when joining the ambassador group, you would be subscribed to the ambassador mailing list... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On 22/11/10 11:29, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 22 November 2010 09:45:57 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Hi,
Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people.
Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect.
What do you think? Doable?
Doable and desirable. MeeGo has mailing list subscription on their website and it is very cool. Henne: is it possible to implement a function that will subscribe/unsubscribe certain address to particular ML? (without the need of confirm emails)
An additional idea: We could also make some mailing lists mandatory when joining a group, e.g. when joining the ambassador group, you would be subscribed to the ambassador mailing list...
I wouldn't make it mandatory, but recommended. But otherwise I agree. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 22 November 2010 12:44:34 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 22/11/10 11:29, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 22 November 2010 09:45:57 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Hi,
Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people.
Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect.
What do you think? Doable?
Doable and desirable. MeeGo has mailing list subscription on their website and it is very cool. Henne: is it possible to implement a function that will subscribe/unsubscribe certain address to particular ML? (without the need of confirm emails)
An additional idea: We could also make some mailing lists mandatory when joining a group, e.g. when joining the ambassador group, you would be subscribed to the ambassador mailing list...
I wouldn't make it mandatory, but recommended. But otherwise I agree.
For ambassador group, I really would make it mandatory but that needs discussion inside the ambassador team first for sure, for others it might be different... So, you want to have both options. Thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag 22 November 2010, 13:04:08 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
On Monday 22 November 2010 12:44:34 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 22/11/10 11:29, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 22 November 2010 09:45:57 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Hi,
Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people.
Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect.
What do you think? Doable?
Doable and desirable. MeeGo has mailing list subscription on their website and it is very cool. Henne: is it possible to implement a function that will subscribe/unsubscribe certain address to particular ML? (without the need of confirm emails)
An additional idea: We could also make some mailing lists mandatory when joining a group, e.g. when joining the ambassador group, you would be subscribed to the ambassador mailing list...
I wouldn't make it mandatory, but recommended. But otherwise I agree.
For ambassador group, I really would make it mandatory but that needs discussion inside the ambassador team first for sure, for others it might be different... So, you want to have both options.
before u think on that u should make clear that its not funny that they all send her welcome mails in private and not over the list br gnokii
Thanks, Andreas
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Hi, On 11/22/2010 12:44 PM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 22/11/10 11:29, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 22 November 2010 09:45:57 Klaas Freitag wrote:
Why not have a list management page in Connect?
What do you think? Doable?
Doable and desirable. MeeGo has mailing list subscription on their website and it is very cool. Henne: is it possible to implement a function that will subscribe/unsubscribe certain address to particular ML? (without the need of confirm emails)
Of course. A simple form that sends a mail and a mlm that requires no confirmation. You can then hold the subscription state in the app that provides the form (connect) and hope everything works well which is not very unrealistic. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 11/22/2010 09:45 AM, Klaas Freitag wrote:
Ludwig just mentioned that the mailinglist management (subscribe and unsubscribe) is not very user friendly. First, one has to find out how to do it (and the link to help is also not very exposed) and than one has to send wired mail to the list management software. Ok for geeks, a hurdle for ordinary people.
Well you have to send a mail to the mailinglist manager every time you want to post something right? If that's a hurdle for a user...
Why not have a list management page in Connect? Connect knows which email to use, could query a list of all available mailing lists and the subscription state from the list software and offer a nice page where one could click on and off the subscription state of mailing lists. Connect has to do the subscription change in background. Evaluation is not needed any more since the user is validated in connect.
What do you think? Doable?
Sure, everything is doable, you just have to do it ;-) Implementation wise I see a couple of hurdles. For starters the user data of lists is in no way coupled to any other user data we have. And I guess the overlap is not too big, there are tons of users on the lists that are just there for the lists. Also all the data of the mlm we use is not exposed over the network in any way. You would have to implement that part too. And, despite of what everybody seems to think, the subscription process is no formality. It serves the purpose of making sure delivery to the subscriber works. So you have to implement that part too. But of course all of that is doable. The question is if it's desirable to invest that much into it. For me it's not, that's why i never did anything about it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
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