Hey, taking this to our list. On 16.05.2011 11:48, Klaas Freitag wrote:
I think it took some time, but now we are really rocking.
From now on I would like us to concentrate on events that meet both of
Which is the time we should detach from the rocket. We are boosters and not the main engine! :) If I look at how the project nowadays runs events I see a huge influence of the Boosters. Organization, materials, DVDs, both equipment and setup, the atmosphere and the way we generally roll on events are things we have brought up to speed. We can be very proud about that. But I also see that the usual suspect events don't hold much for us Boosters anymore. Yes it is important that the openSUSE Project is at LinuxTag, FROSCOM, SCALE or whatever but it's less and less important for us Boosters. So lets see how we take events to the next level and you know me, I already have an Idea how :) the following two conditions: 1. The main audience is not the FOSS community. 2. The topic is something you are not an expert in. I don't want us to do the same, always. There are so many groups of people out there that are connected to technology and engineering that are FOSS-minded to some degree. I want Boosters to go to their events and connect with them. It's time we try to tap into other groups than the FOSS community for contributors. The second thing is about that the Boosters get more out of the bucks we put into the events. From now on I want you to come home from an event with at least one new idea that you are excited about. Ideally with more ideas then you can act on. The world moves fast and there is tons of stuff where openSUSE still communicates, behaves, designs, develops and deploys like RMS and friends did in the 70s. It's time for us to go out and bring something of the new things back into openSUSE. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't do things on those events for openSUSE. I still expect you to give talks, distribute materials, educate people and network if you have the chance. I just would like us to do that with new people on new topics. What do you think? Do you maybe already have an event in mind for yourself or someone else? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hola, Le mercredi 25 mai 2011, à 14:46 +0200, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
From now on I would like us to concentrate on events that meet both of the following two conditions:
1. The main audience is not the FOSS community. 2. The topic is something you are not an expert in.
Just to get a concrete idea before I re-read your mail, do you have examples of such events? This will help the poor french without imagination that I am :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 25.05.2011 14:56, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 25 mai 2011, à 14:46 +0200, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
From now on I would like us to concentrate on events that meet both of the following two conditions:
1. The main audience is not the FOSS community. 2. The topic is something you are not an expert in.
Just to get a concrete idea before I re-read your mail, do you have examples of such events? This will help the poor french without imagination that I am :-)
Go to LeWeb for your interest in collaboration stuff or to some javascript conference to get new ideas for shell. Maybe its enough if you go to the right things at the Open World Forum in Paris. It doesn't require imagination to find an event, just google :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On 05/25/2011 02:56 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
Just to get a concrete idea before I re-read your mail, do you have examples of such events? This will help the poor french without imagination that I am :-)
Also there is an academic conference in Slovakia called OSSConf which is similar to other FOSS conferences but most of the audience (I would guesstimate at around 80%) are teachers from high schools and universities which makes it kind of unique. They also have for example a special track about Geo-informatics and Typography (TeX & co.) so you meet lot of interesting people that have completely different set of problems while using FOSS when compared to other conferences' attendees. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 25.05.2011 16:05, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 05/25/2011 02:56 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
examples of such events
Also there is an academic conference in Slovakia called OSSConf
Or you GOTO prague :) http://gotocon.com/prague-2011/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On 05/25/2011 04:12 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Or you GOTO prague :)
I think that one would be very hard to defend because of the registration fees ;-) https://secure.trifork.com/prague-2011/registration/ -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 25.05.2011 16:12, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 05/25/2011 04:12 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Or you GOTO prague :)
I think that one would be very hard to defend because of the registration fees ;-)
Nope, good conferences cost. This is not a factor that limits us trying to go there. You going to LinuxTag did cost us what? 400€? Same for Michal. If I say: "I want to get more out of the bucks we put into events", I mean that I rather have one of you go to GOTOCon instead of both of you to LinuxTag. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:46 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
taking this to our list.
On 16.05.2011 11:48, Klaas Freitag wrote:
I think it took some time, but now we are really rocking.
Which is the time we should detach from the rocket. We are boosters and not the main engine! :) If I look at how the project nowadays runs events I see a huge influence of the Boosters. Organization, materials, DVDs, both equipment and setup, the atmosphere and the way we generally roll on events are things we have brought up to speed. We can be very proud about that.
But I also see that the usual suspect events don't hold much for us Boosters anymore. Yes it is important that the openSUSE Project is at LinuxTag, FROSCOM, SCALE or whatever but it's less and less important for us Boosters. So lets see how we take events to the next level and you know me, I already have an Idea how :)
From now on I would like us to concentrate on events that meet both of the following two conditions:
1. The main audience is not the FOSS community. 2. The topic is something you are not an expert in.
I don't want us to do the same, always. There are so many groups of people out there that are connected to technology and engineering that are FOSS-minded to some degree. I want Boosters to go to their events and connect with them. It's time we try to tap into other groups than the FOSS community for contributors.
The second thing is about that the Boosters get more out of the bucks we put into the events. From now on I want you to come home from an event with at least one new idea that you are excited about. Ideally with more ideas then you can act on. The world moves fast and there is tons of stuff where openSUSE still communicates, behaves, designs, develops and deploys like RMS and friends did in the 70s. It's time for us to go out and bring something of the new things back into openSUSE.
This doesn't mean that we shouldn't do things on those events for openSUSE. I still expect you to give talks, distribute materials, educate people and network if you have the chance. I just would like us to do that with new people on new topics.
What do you think? Do you maybe already have an event in mind for yourself or someone else?
Henne
-- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson
I find some of the tone of this thread rather disturbing. I do commend the Booster team for all their hard work promoting openSUSE at events, but there is a rather serious disconnect here. The marketing and ambassador teams have been working hard to maintain presence and give talks at events globally as well, and yet. Yet, as one marketing team member very recently said to me, the separation o activities by your team is "alarming" (that's the exact word he used) and there is no collaboration with either teams to further enhance our activities worldwide. I'm seeing a rather long list of activities here that I have never even heard of happening. Events that we could have helped you promote or shared ideas on how to make it better. Events that both sides could have learned and benefitted from so that we can create an even larger army of openSUSE evangelists around the world. How can we fix this problem? It's not much o a boost if everyone is working in their own separate corners here. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On 05/25/2011 04:18 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
one marketing team member very recently said to me, the separation o activities by your team is "alarming" (that's the exact word he used) and there is no collaboration with either teams to further enhance our activities worldwide.
There are certainly some aspects we should improve. Also I find it problematic thing he raised his concern to you and not us. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:51:26 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 05/25/2011 04:18 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
one marketing team member very recently said to me, the separation o activities by your team is "alarming" (that's the exact word he used) and there is no collaboration with either teams to further enhance our activities worldwide.
There are certainly some aspects we should improve. Also I find it problematic thing he raised his concern to you and not us. Well, the ambassadors work with Bryen, he works with them. It makes sense they talk to him, right?
Am Mittwoch 25 Mai 2011, 16:18:35 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko: Hi Bryen,
I find some of the tone of this thread rather disturbing.
Which exactly?
The marketing and ambassador teams have been working hard to maintain presence and give talks at events globally as well, and yet. Yet, as one marketing team member very recently said to me, the separation o activities by your team is "alarming" (that's the exact word he used)
??? Please elaborate with a name and context. Otherwise I can neither understand nor take that comment for serious, sorry.
and there is no collaboration with either teams to further enhance our activities worldwide. The boosters are a team with an own identity, idea and roadmap. As most teams in openSUSE. We make things happen and maybe we sometimes could be more active to let more teams join. Not sure if other teams do that, but you're right, it would be better if all did. On the other hand I do not see that we try to lock somebody out. On the last three events I took part boosters _and_ other community members where on the booth and all other activities with big fun and good outcome.
I'm seeing a rather long list of activities here that I have never even heard of happening. http://news.opensuse.org/2011/05/03/linuxtag11/
Events that we could have helped you promote or shared ideas on how to make it better. Events that both sides could have learned and benefitted from so that we can create an even larger army of openSUSE evangelists around the world. Armies IMO can not do good ;-) Still for me the best way to create an openSUSE evangelist is to grab some stuff and GO to the event. We do that whenever we can, spending a high amount of personal time.
Please note that the boosters is not an event team on the first hand, we neither have the financial nor people resources for that. Dancing all stages is something in the job description of the community manager, so there is more need to sync with him. We more or less do that on top, but we want to do that with the biggest outcome for the project. That is what Hennes mail was heading to. Its not that he says we never will join an event any more.
How can we fix this problem? It's not much o a boost if everyone is working in their own separate corners here. Can you elaborate which specific problem you mean, I am still not sure if I understand correctly what the problem is.
regards, Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 25.05.2011 16:18, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:46 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.05.2011 11:48, Klaas Freitag wrote:
I think it took some time, but now we are really rocking.
Which is the time we should detach from the rocket.
I find some of the tone of this thread rather disturbing. I do commend the Booster team for all their hard work promoting openSUSE at events, but there is a rather serious disconnect here.
Can you elaborate on what you think this disconnect is? I don't really understand what you mean by "disconnect". You think we are disconnected from whom or what?
I'm seeing a rather long list of activities here that I have never even heard of happening. Events that we could have helped you promote or shared ideas on how to make it better. Events that both sides could have learned and benefitted from so that we can create an even larger army of openSUSE evangelists around the world.
You do understand that we are talking about events we, the Boosters, want to go on in the future right? Maybe I didn't write that clear enough sorry. Is that what you talk about as disconnect? Please elaborate. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 May 2011 14:06:28 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 25.05.2011 16:18, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:46 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.05.2011 11:48, Klaas Freitag wrote:
I think it took some time, but now we are really rocking.
Which is the time we should detach from the rocket.
I find some of the tone of this thread rather disturbing. I do commend the Booster team for all their hard work promoting openSUSE at events, but there is a rather serious disconnect here.
Can you elaborate on what you think this disconnect is? I don't really understand what you mean by "disconnect". You think we are disconnected from whom or what?
I'm seeing a rather long list of activities here that I have never even heard of happening. Events that we could have helped you promote or shared ideas on how to make it better. Events that both sides could have learned and benefitted from so that we can create an even larger army of openSUSE evangelists around the world.
You do understand that we are talking about events we, the Boosters, want to go on in the future right? Maybe I didn't write that clear enough sorry. Is that what you talk about as disconnect? Please elaborate.
I think he meant that conferences and such are discussed by the ambassadors on the ambassador list. The events boosters go to are discussed elsewhere.
Henne
On 05/26/2011 07:09 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
I think he meant that conferences and such are discussed by the ambassadors on the ambassador list. The events boosters go to are discussed elsewhere.
I think this is correct, right? Boosters are not ambassadors and ambassadors are not boosters. BUT ambassadors can discuss things on -boosters ML and boosters on -ambassadors ML. Or are you suggesting that we should discuss all events we go to on ambassadors list? -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 May 2011 19:27:53 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 05/26/2011 07:09 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
I think he meant that conferences and such are discussed by the ambassadors on the ambassador list. The events boosters go to are discussed elsewhere.
I think this is correct, right? Boosters are not ambassadors and ambassadors are not boosters. BUT ambassadors can discuss things on -boosters ML and boosters on -ambassadors ML. Or are you suggesting that we should discuss all events we go to on ambassadors list?
Well, at least let them know, I guess. It's true that the two are different and I think the whole thing isn't really worth more than 2 mails (hehe) but Bryen was probably also talking in more generic terms. The boosters are doing quite a bit of marketingy and ambassadory work - and frankly, I think our ambassadors can learn from what you guys set up at LinuxTag and Fosdem. The selling of beer which was done at FOSDEM we took to SCALE (but with t-shirts, those silly americans have a problem selling booze at a conference) and it was greatly appreciated, to give an example. And I'm sure it is good if you guys see what some of our ambassadors are doing - with far less resources in terms of materials esp, by the way. Moreover, YOU guys know the talk - the details, the reasons-for-openSUSE. That are things our ambassadors sometimes lack. Again an area where you could help. The boosters have a bit of a special position as it's your *explicit* goal to work on 'boosting' openSUSE. Now if you want to 'boost' packaging, you'd join the factory list too, right? I just think our ambassadors would profit from some of the things you guys do. And we in marketing in general. But I also realize that extra mail is probably not what you look for. Then again, I suppose you have a good mail client which can handle that, yes? ;-) cheers, Jos
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