hi, On 7 Dec 2004 at 20:04, Kai Ruemmler wrote:

* Simon Eigeldinger wrote:

...

weiß jemahnd, wie ich brass installiere bzw. wo ich infos herbekomme? Im handbuch steht, das das handbuch veraltet ist.

:-)

Die Installation ist Schritt für Schritt in der README Datei im Wurzelverzeichnis der BRASS Sourcen erklärt.

Ah ok danke :-). hm. brass scheint auch nicht mehr so jung zu sein. wird bald ein jahr her sein, dass wieder mal eine neue release rausgekommen ist.

Dort findest du auch die Liste der Tastaturkommandos. Der Rest ist in den Kommentaren der Beispielkonfigurationsdatei erläutert.

Danke. Werds mal probieren. Heute gibts also ne lange nacht :-). gruß, simon

hi, hmm. das teil lässt sich nicht compilieren. Folgendes wird angezeigt: Also das wird jetzt ein riesen ding: misc.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find sys/time.h misc.h:21: warning: No include path in which to find syslog.h messages.c:12: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h menu.c:12: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h menu.c:13: warning: No include path in which to find stdlib.h menu.c:14: warning: No include path in which to find string.h menu.c:15: warning: No include path in which to find assert.h In file included from config_file.h:19, from speech.h:16, from menu.c:17: replace.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find sys/types.h replace.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find regex.h In file included from replace.h:17, from config_file.h:19, from speech.h:16, from menu.c:17: string_buffer.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find string.h In file included from menu.c:21: misc.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h misc.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find sys/time.h misc.h:21: warning: No include path in which to find syslog.h display.c:12: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h display.c:13: warning: No include path in which to find stdlib.h display.c:14: warning: No include path in which to find assert.h display.c:15: warning: No include path in which to find unistd.h display.c:16: warning: No include path in which to find fcntl.h display.c:17: warning: No include path in which to find string.h display.c:18: warning: No include path in which to find signal.h display.c:19: warning: No include path in which to find sys/stat.h display.c:20: warning: No include path in which to find sys/ioctl.h display.c:21: warning: No include path in which to find sys/termios.h display.c:22: warning: No include path in which to find sys/types.h display.c:23: warning: No include path in which to find sys/wait.h display.c:24: warning: No include path in which to find linux/vt.h display.c:25: warning: No include path in which to find linux/kd.h display.c:26: warning: No include path in which to find linux/version.h display.c:27: warning: No include path in which to find errno.h display.c:28: warning: No include path in which to find sched.h display.c:29: warning: No include path in which to find endian.h In file included from config_file.h:19, from profile.h:15, from display.c:32: replace.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find sys/types.h replace.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find regex.h In file included from replace.h:17, from config_file.h:19, from profile.h:15, from display.c:32: string_buffer.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find string.h In file included from display.c:33: misc.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h misc.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find sys/time.h misc.h:21: warning: No include path in which to find syslog.h display.c:73: parse error display.c:280: parse error profile.c:12: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h profile.c:13: warning: No include path in which to find stdlib.h profile.c:14: warning: No include path in which to find unistd.h profile.c:15: warning: No include path in which to find dirent.h profile.c:16: warning: No include path in which to find string.h In file included from profile.c:18: misc.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h misc.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find sys/time.h misc.h:21: warning: No include path in which to find syslog.h In file included from config_file.h:19, from braille.h:15, from setup.h:15, from profile.c:19: replace.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find sys/types.h replace.h:16: warning: No include path in which to find regex.h In file included from replace.h:17, from config_file.h:19, from braille.h:15, from setup.h:15, from profile.c:19: string_buffer.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find string.h string_buffer.c:12: warning: No include path in which to find stdlib.h string_buffer.c:13: warning: No include path in which to find stdio.h In file included from string_buffer.c:15: string_buffer.h:15: warning: No include path in which to find string.h make: *** [localdepend] Fehler 1 for dir in BrailleTables Speech Alva_ABT3 NoBraille TSI CombiBraille Papenmeier Vario-HT BrailleLite . ; do (cd $dir; make all_targets); done make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/BrailleTables' gcc -O2 -g -Wall -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=2 -c tbl2txt.c tbl2txt.c:27: stdio.h: No such file or directory tbl2txt.c:28: stdlib.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [tbl2txt.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/BrailleTables' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/Speech' cc -Wall -g -c lang_lib.c -o lang_lib.o lang_lib.c:12: stdio.h: No such file or directory lang_lib.c:13: stdlib.h: No such file or directory lang_lib.c:14: string.h: No such file or directory lang_lib.c:15: dlfcn.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [lang_lib.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/Speech' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/Alva_ABT3' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:14: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:15: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:16: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:17: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:18: sys/termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:19: string.h: No such file or directory brl.c:20: assert.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:22: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:22: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:24: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/Alva_ABT3' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/NoBraille' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:14: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:15: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:16: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:17: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:18: sys/termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:19: string.h: No such file or directory brl.c:20: assert.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:22: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:22: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:23: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/NoBraille' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/TSI' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:28: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:29: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:30: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:31: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:32: sys/termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:33: sys/ioctl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:34: string.h: No such file or directory brl.c:35: errno.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:38: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:38: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:40: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/TSI' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/CombiBraille' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:14: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:15: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:16: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:17: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:18: sys/termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:19: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:21: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:21: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:23: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/CombiBraille' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/Papenmeier' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:25: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:26: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:27: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:28: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:29: termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:30: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:32: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:32: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:34: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/Papenmeier' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/Vario-HT' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c vario.c -o vario.o vario.c:12: stdio.h: No such file or directory vario.c:13: stdlib.h: No such file or directory vario.c:14: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from vario.c:16: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from vario.c:16: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from vario.c:18: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [vario.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/Vario-HT' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass/BrailleLite' cc -Wall -O -fPIC -g -c brl.c -o brl.o brl.c:16: stdio.h: No such file or directory brl.c:17: stdlib.h: No such file or directory brl.c:18: unistd.h: No such file or directory brl.c:19: fcntl.h: No such file or directory brl.c:20: sys/termios.h: No such file or directory brl.c:21: string.h: No such file or directory brl.c:22: errno.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:24: ../replace.h:15: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ../replace.h:16: regex.h: No such file or directory In file included from ../replace.h:17, from ../config_file.h:19, from ../braille.h:15, from brl.c:24: ../string_buffer.h:15: string.h: No such file or directory In file included from brl.c:26: ../misc.h:15: stdio.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:16: sys/time.h: No such file or directory ../misc.h:21: syslog.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [brl.o] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/brass/BrailleLite' make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/brass' awk -f messages.awk

* Simon Bienlein wrote:

Das Problem kenne ich auch. Man läd sich einen Sourcecode aus dem Netz und liest auch die README-Datei, doch bei make kommen dann die Fehlermeldungen.

Warum findet man in der README-Datei keine Angaben darüber, welche Pakete zum erfolgreichen Übersetzen der Sourcen nötig sind?

Weil die Sourcen in den seltensten Fällen auf eine bestimmte Distribution zugeschnitten sind? Ansonsten wird einfach vorausgesetzt, dass die Entwicklungsumgebung sauber installiert ist, wenn jemand die Quellen selbst übersetzen möchte. Das heißt für C Sourcen C Compiler + Standard C Library. Letztere ist in irgendeiner Art auf jedem Unix installiert, weil deine Möglichkeiten sonst sehr eingeschränkt wären. Zusätzliche Abhängigkeiten werden darüber hinaus in 99,9% aller Fälle aufgelistet. Und wenn es dann noch Probleme gibt, wird einem nach höflichen Fragen eigentlich immer geholfen. Oder hast du da andere Erfahrungen gemacht?

Ok. Wahrscheinlich weiß das ein richtiger Entwickler schon automatisch ...

Wahrscheinlich. Kai

* Simon Bienlein wrote:

...

Weil die Sourcen in den seltensten Fällen auf eine bestimmte Distribution zugeschnitten sind?

Das stimmt. Ich dachte aber, dass Bibliotheken nicht distributionsabhängig sind und daher bei Debian, SuSE oder Mandrake gleich benannt sind.

Der Name der Quelldistribution einer Software (der Name, den sich der Erfinder ausgedacht hat), hat mit dem Namen des Paketes in einer Distribution prinzipiell nichts zu tun. Im Allgemeinen sind die namen aber die gleichen, oder zumindest sehr ähnlich. Die Versionsnummer der Sourcen ist übrigens auch unabhängig von der Paketversion.

...

Und wenn es dann noch Probleme gibt, wird einem nach höflichen Fragen eigentlich immer geholfen. Oder hast du da andere Erfahrungen gemacht?

Bisher habe ich diese Probleme ohne Nachfrage lösen können.

Und warum jammerst du dann? :-) Kai