Hi Nenad, As Richard mentioned, I would avoid too much work which will very possibly require more work every release. If you were part of the upstream work and will be working on things anyway, I get the point but for now, without a promise from someone to keep this work up to date I wonder if changes things now only makes things harder in the future. In any case, I think that as far a branding is concerned it would be better for us to have a long(er)-term goal and a good plan to reach that goal. I'm not sure if making the folders green (on top of a green background with so many other green parts) is really good for the branding over-all. Both of the above are open questions, not final statements so please understand that I am trying to take part in the conversation, not end it :-) Anyway, in the end, what work you do it up to you...I just wanted to express my opinion. -- Kenneth On 05/04/15 08:36, Nenad Latinović wrote:

Hi Richard!

First of all, thanks for your response!

Yes, there was a time when I was offering the gtk theme editing, but as I have seen, deviating away from upstream too much can result in you having to do what realistically should be done by more people. As far as the screenshot goes, it's basically only the folders that have been edited from the original. The other (app) icons come in many different colours by default. As far as the oxygen theme recoloring goes, in plasma 5, someone has done it already, and it's only a matter of setting up the colour palette in a few clicks (I know you're a GNOME user, so I don't know how well do you know theme color editing in KDE, but it's *much* easier than in gnome. Just a few clicks and hex codes in the settings and you're good to go). But, as I've said in the original mail, in plasma 5, much has already been done by the kde team (I could notice a nice geeko KDE splash animation, and colors to be properly set up system-wide), and the only thing that bothered me and that broke up the uniformity of the look, were the breeze (new KDE default team by the Nitrux developers, who, btw, also originally created the icon set i modified in these screenshots) folders, or to be specific, places icon. Inkscaping them into our new selected color palette was a matter of minutes. Where would we benefit: - We wouldn't have the whole oxygen theme in our blue-green 'official' color, and places icons in plain breeze blue. - By changing *only* the places icons, and potential openSUSE 'start here' icons, we'd not deviate from the upstream too much (As i can't see them changing the folder icons that rapidly, certainly not more often than once in every few years. Look how long the oxygen icons existed as default). But this one hour job could help with icons not stepping out of bounds of the new brand guidelines. - If you'd like, I could do the whole breeze places recoloring and send it to you guys, to replace the blue folders in plasma five, and see how it looks with the rest of your theme. I bet it would be kickass. If not, I'll recolor them only for my use for 13.3, and upload it to the forum later, no biggie (I've been uploading modded icon and desktop themes to the forums for a year or so now, trying to make a resource for other geeko users who wanted more openSUSEish themes :) ) - To sum it up, yes, I could maintain the folders, because once done, it would not require much maintaining per se. But I would need someone with technical expertise to include them in the iso builds.

As far as branding guidelines go, I'd like to edit the wiki article about guidelines to be in accordance with our current branding guidelines, as provided by Ken and Zvezdana. Is that a go, or do we need someone to deliberate on that matter?

Kindest regards, and if you're celebrating, happy Easter!

--- Nenad Latinović holden87@opensuse.org

On 04.04.2015 23:38, Richard Brown wrote:

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Nenad, this looks awesome - but the biggest question I have is how available/likely/dedicated will you be to keeping this maintained in the future?

KDE5 is an excitingly fast moving target, but that means its likely an effort like this will need ongoing care and attention going forward

Experience shows me that 'one shot' polish jobs like this don't last long, and I think it would be sad if we adopt it just to have to flip back to upstreams if we cant keep up with the demands on maintaining it :)

On 4 April 2015 at 14:57, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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Hi there. A couple of days ago I've sent you an example of a breeze icon set folder recolored to match the new openSUSE colorscheme. Now, I've done the same with Nitrux icons + I've changed the oxygen colorscheme also. Here's a few screens for you to see how it looks in practice. Ken and Zvezdana, what do you think about it? As far as I could notice, the plasma 5 colorscheme and themes have been already done, but the breeze folders are default. I could recolor them to fit our colorscheme. Do get back people, so I don't have a feeling i'm doing all this in vain. :) Kind regards, -- Nenad Latinović holden87@opensuse.org

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 04/07/2015 09:43 AM, Nenad Latinovi? wrote:

Kind regards, and sorry if i started a silly debate :)

Nenad

I dont think its silly at all, I think it would be great if the icons were some color that matched the rest of the theme (doesnt have to be green, but blue is not very nice). However I think if we are going to change icons then wouldnt it perhaps be better to work on a theme as a whole? I feel that if things are done part by part, maybe it will be a bit fragmented and not work so well? - -- Regards, Uzair Shamim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVJF7GAAoJEM66EOTZRH6+RdcP/1M4afRaqdvHtFmL1uGnftyF jzB1TVSeavv2obxLH81XhLD93LURYXxP/QPmBta4ZQ6IqBS+eC7uYj8bzMKpsP/k DhF2v9mOSMotxIAaPoHJpftE8XZ5Kfn/9VDV2PUxQRDrJZXspoZHqiux4vx2PqSa iUBgJoXzYXQT/9OP55tUuRcj7k/pdGt+7Ctl8jEq2lBe2rtHixWYDYxfH0EWW09r uXqLyAI3sMrvQl5Yt3xmAnlAcLDHA6xCdGsGQRhOt1fcrjigcOe7pk2YeqMo8Q7j vzD84weLjsyJ8ZIo/SayYGSXoHltnALaiJg23lS0ZnrT32hJA6DUZFuk4fnFk0X0 Df1F+VJ/1OyrXF4jMU0nLPIZKEXEi9/KLdT/sBB65bKagu4pPlWxnoBy/dR13sRq OPtFz1K5D7bAwe0lSeAN+Ud0FTnIcoRV0BBVpBiunP3ppAL3wHuVwvWjPep8hGfQ ljRWifQ1jPNmfxhLAz+ZX6/q4xL4aIQ/OIpe2WLE6bt6COwZFF6UJCAg/GkYlpeY 03rIdCMC5vvsvl7cGIrwf9BVAhuq4onBTF2Fb1fwiKmW1GPaXtQW0l0tf/GsQXIt 2LQLkEZsdhl13Dloz5hgK8+in/RIQ5i3XNK2aGA1Q8S5ShRqK8kiqIqQhzU079hs Dj1VBFKNaz+lDsO19dP9 =3PZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Sorry, I took a vacation day yesterday and enjoyed it :-) On 07/04/15 15:43, Nenad Latinović wrote:

On 07.04.2015 13:24, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

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Hi Nenad,

As Richard mentioned, I would avoid too much work which will very possibly require more work every release. If you were part of the upstream work and will be working on things anyway, I get the point but for now, without a promise from someone to keep this work up to date I wonder if changes things now only makes things harder in the future.

I don't know if I was clear enough, but it was meant more or less like a recoloring more than rebranding. Basically, recoloring the upstream (in this case, breeze). But we now come to this...----->

Right, I understand the idea and did not mean to totally put you off it :P I was just stating one opinion so the debate is/can/should/would still be open. My suggestion is to pick your battles well because we have limited resources. We need to plan properly over the long term. Building a brand requires, at least in some way, shape, or form, a strategy. This strategy should be reflected in the plan. Perhaps your idea is part of this plan. That would require two things: 1) It is an accepted part of the brand strategy by the community 2) The resources are planned to keep this up to date as needed at _any_time in the near to long term.

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I'm not sure if making the folders green (on top of a green background with so many other green parts) is really good for the branding over-all.

And that's pretty much it :) That's why I was awaiting responses from someone who's more versed in the matter, as I'm not a designer, but just followed layman's logic: ubuntu's selection color = orange, folders = orange elementary's blue, folders = blue kde breeze also blue, breeze folders = blue /.../ So you catch why I figured it's the only logical thing to do :) But assuming is not knowing, so thanks for clearing it out :)

I'll seek what I can do further. Updating the wiki is never a bad chore :)

Kind regards, and sorry if i started a silly debate :) I would not say it is silly at all. I would say it is admirable that you've stepped up by identifying and taking care of a task you feel is important. All I want is for us to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak :-)

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