Re: [opensuse-artwork] openSUSE 12.3 ToDo Suggestions - Revised!
Andres Silva 10/03/12 3:28 AM >>> Given some of our member's suggestions, I have reviewed the list of do's for 12.3. Please read carefully and give a vote if you agree with
1. Why "encourage" the use of either format? We have artists that use Raster, we have artists that use SVG, we should *allow* both. Raster is already used for the final wallpaper in the current distribution (though in some cases SVG can be more memory efficient and prettier, especially in GNOME) I dont think we should be throwing the baby out of the bathwater - or is there some ulterior motive to discourage folks like me from contributing to the wallpaper side of things? 2. -10 - See my previous comments about Flickr, I do not think it's an appropriate platform for the broad variety of submissions we want to encourage. Again, I want to give those artists who are part of the 'cult of raster' all the opportunity in the world to contribute, but that shouldn't be at the exclusion of our vector-based contributions. 3. +1 - Upload guidelines are a good idea. There is already licensing guidance on the Wiki http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Accepted_licences 4. Fair enough - do you have 'buy in' from the KDE team? 5. Is my alternative suggestion for a 'dots based' progress bar being ignored/dismissed summarily? We appear to have gone from 'lets talk about it' to 'lets do something entirely different' 6. How? Why? YaST already provides a 'native' experience in GNOME and KDE, where is the problem? what is the goal here? 7. By 'splash' do you mean the KDM login screen? if so, I seriously suggest you reconsider, because of the accessibility issues that me and Bryen have already raised - I don't want to see KDE make the same mistakes that GNOME made (and that we're now correcting) 8. I don't disagree, but allow me to play devils advocate for a bit. I assume the rationale for not changing application splash screens is that "Upstream do a good enough job". That is an argument I can certainly agree with. I would also contest that openSUSE is a distribution who's defining characteristic is 'Choice'. We're no Ubuntu striving to give our users a single uniquely refined experience Nor are we Fedora, taking selective upstream projects and polishing them and integrating them tightly. We're the distribution that seems to take as much as we can from the open source community, throw it all together, and provide it in a usable 'showcase' where you (the user) can choose what they want from it. KDE, GNOME, LXDE, desktop, server, firewall, we're the distro that provides it all and tries to make it easy for you to decide how it works. The idea of leaving application splash screens alone fits nicely with that concept that openSUSE is a 'showcase' of upstream projects. But if we're doing that, why are we customising Wallpapers at all? GNOME has a default wallpaper for example which the upstream project seem to have put a lot of effort into. KDE also, where they have their community 'Kontests' to chose the default wallpaper for their desktop environment. If we're saying 'you're art is good enough' for application splashes, why don't we say the same for the default wallpapers and be done with it? Or, is the default wallpaper a 'key part' of establishing an openSUSE brand, a feel that the distribution is a completed product with it's own identity? If so, why aren't application splashes part of that same brand? I don't have answers here, but I do think we need to decide where our direction is - the idea that upstream application splashes are good enough, but upstream desktop artwork is not seems schizophrenic to me. (Thankfully, there really is no default boot/install branding so whatever we decide here, that will of course be a place where openSUSE can leave it's unique stamp) Regards Richard / ilmehtar the steps. If a majority agrees, we will start making the arrangements for these tasks to see the light. 1 Encourage the use of raster images for wallpaper (Using Flickr artwork pool to draw images) Add more places for submissions (email, social networks, etc) Use raster for the final wallpaper and not for its creation necessarily 2 Flickr is used, make sure that the uploader is responsible for the correct liscensing of the image (Provide information about branding people's artwork) Provide links for licensing images Follow up with creators for their work and how they licensed it Make a decision on what license works best for digital art 3 Create upload guidelines for artwork contributors (Although there are some guidelines about this, there is no specific place for copyright in the wiki) Create a wiki page for explaining licensing Promote licensing on our submission areas (Flickr, social networks, etc) 4 Change default font to OPEN SANS on KDE. (This font family is extensive and looks extra sharp on both KDE and GNOME, use full rgb subpixel rendering on KDE by default) Start with KDE first and then decide if it will work properly on Gnome 5 Change Plymouth to a progress bar with a sparkling end (per request of some contributors and to keep a simple elegant understanding of the boot process, more details to come) 6. Change/improve styling on YAST 7 Change KDE splash screen to match Plymouth 8 Keep default splash screens for applications Thank you Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
1. Why "encourage" the use of either format? We have artists that use Raster, we have artists that use SVG, we should *allow* both. Raster is already used for the final wallpaper in the current distribution (though in some cases SVG can be more memory efficient and prettier, especially in GNOME) I dont think we should be throwing the baby out of the bathwater - or is there some ulterior motive to discourage folks like me from contributing to the wallpaper side of things?
2. -10 - See my previous comments about Flickr, I do not think it's an appropriate platform for the broad variety of submissions we want to encourage. Again, I want to give those artists who are part of the 'cult of raster' all the opportunity in the world to contribute, but that shouldn't be at the exclusion of our vector-based contributions.
Naturally, the flickr page is mainly a source for photo material. It should not be the only way that one can contribute wallpapers.
3. +1 - Upload guidelines are a good idea. There is already licensing guidance on the Wiki http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Accepted_licences
We need to define which licenses are appropriate for artwork, not point to a long list of licenses which might be appropriate.
4. Fair enough - do you have 'buy in' from the KDE team?
5. Is my alternative suggestion for a 'dots based' progress bar being ignored/dismissed summarily? We appear to have gone from 'lets talk about it' to 'lets do something entirely different'
This depends more on the overall design. We cannot determine in advance what would look or work best without knowing what the design looks like.
6. How? Why? YaST already provides a 'native' experience in GNOME and KDE, where is the problem? what is the goal here?
I popped a blood vessel in my eye the other day and someone asked me what happened. I told them I looked at YaST. I haven't worked on YaST in 7 years and there are still pieces in there from me :P
7. By 'splash' do you mean the KDM login screen? if so, I seriously suggest you reconsider, because of the accessibility issues that me and Bryen have already raised - I don't want to see KDE make the same mistakes that GNOME made (and that we're now correcting)
8. I don't disagree, but allow me to play devils advocate for a bit. I assume the rationale for not changing application splash screens is that "Upstream do a good enough job". That is an argument I can certainly agree with. I would also contest that openSUSE is a distribution who's defining characteristic is 'Choice'. We're no Ubuntu striving to give our users a single uniquely refined experience Nor are we Fedora, taking selective upstream projects and polishing them and integrating them tightly. We're the distribution that seems to take as much as we can from the open source community, throw it all together, and provide it in a usable 'showcase' where you (the user) can choose what they want from it. KDE, GNOME, LXDE, desktop, server, firewall, we're the distro that provides it all and tries to make it easy for you to decide how it works.
The idea of leaving application splash screens alone fits nicely with that concept that openSUSE is a 'showcase' of upstream projects. But if we're doing that, why are we customising Wallpapers at all? GNOME has a default wallpaper for example which the upstream project seem to have put a lot of effort into. KDE also, where they have their community 'Kontests' to chose the default wallpaper for their desktop environment.
If we're saying 'you're art is good enough' for application splashes, why don't we say the same for the default wallpapers and be done with it?
Or, is the default wallpaper a 'key part' of establishing an openSUSE brand, a feel that the distribution is a completed product with it's own identity? If so, why aren't application splashes part of that same brand?
As soon as I change my wallpaper (which a majority of users do) the splashes no longer fit in. Seems like a waste of effort to me.
I don't have answers here, but I do think we need to decide where our direction is - the idea that upstream application splashes are good enough, but upstream desktop artwork is not seems schizophrenic to me. (Thankfully, there really is no default boot/install branding so whatever we decide here, that will of course be a place where openSUSE can leave it's unique stamp)
Kenneth Wimer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
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