[opensuse-artwork] Reworked 12.2 KDM theme...
Hi, Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline. To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good. But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768. So we have to believe it might because our late schedule for 12.2 which makes us under a lot of pressure and create things in a hurry. So I take some time and reworked our KDM theme: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un... For those just want to see screenshots: [with logo and login button] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301026400013986&set=o.219206124765679&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf [without them] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301032273346732&set=o.219206124765679&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf Or here: https://raw.github.com/marguerite/openSUSE-12.2-KDM-branding-reworked/master... So I come here to see if there's any chance that we ship this through an update... PS: I just finished the normal local user mode, which means the remote login mode and pam-enabled mode might be even more ugly than before...because I have no such hardware environment to test...I can't even see those items. Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Andy (anditosan) On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Marguerite Su <i@marguerite.su> wrote:
Hi,
Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline.
To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good.
But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768.
So we have to believe it might because our late schedule for 12.2 which makes us under a lot of pressure and create things in a hurry.
So I take some time and reworked our KDM theme:
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un...
For those just want to see screenshots:
[with logo and login button]
[without them]
Or here: https://raw.github.com/marguerite/openSUSE-12.2-KDM-branding-reworked/master...
So I come here to see if there's any chance that we ship this through an update...
PS: I just finished the normal local user mode, which means the remote login mode and pam-enabled mode might be even more ugly than before...because I have no such hardware environment to test...I can't even see those items.
Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
I could help in designing a new theme. However, the designer I don't know exactly how good it can be done on the actual code. For that, I will need to help of a coader but I can still create something and you can tell me if it is doable or not. Andy (anditosan)-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andres Silva <anditosan1000@gmail.com> wrote:
Andy (anditosan)
On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Marguerite Su <i@marguerite.su> wrote:
Hi,
Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline.
To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good.
But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768.
So we have to believe it might because our late schedule for 12.2 which makes us under a lot of pressure and create things in a hurry.
So I take some time and reworked our KDM theme:
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un...
For those just want to see screenshots:
[with logo and login button]
[without them]
Or here: https://raw.github.com/marguerite/openSUSE-12.2-KDM-branding-reworked/master...
So I come here to see if there's any chance that we ship this through an update...
PS: I just finished the normal local user mode, which means the remote login mode and pam-enabled mode might be even more ugly than before...because I have no such hardware environment to test...I can't even see those items.
Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
I could help in designing a new theme. However, the designer I don't know exactly how good it can be done on the actual code. For that, I will need to help of a coader but I can still create something and you can tell me if it is doable or not.
Andy (anditosan)
I went for something simple but also striking. Using the drama of the background image, the simple elements of username and password are back on the screen. Obviously the image can change depending on what's decided later. But let me know if this is something worth pursuing. http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/KDM123Mockup1.png http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/Mockup2.png Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Andres Silva <anditosan1000@gmail.com>写到：
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andres Silva <anditosan1000@gmail.com> wrote:
Andy (anditosan)
On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Marguerite Su <i@marguerite.su> wrote:
Hi,
Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline.
To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good.
But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768.
So we have to believe it might because our late schedule for 12.2 which makes us under a lot of pressure and create things in a hurry.
So I take some time and reworked our KDM theme:
For those just want to see screenshots:
[with logo and login button]
[without them]
Or here:
https://raw.github.com/marguerite/openSUSE-12.2-KDM-branding-reworked/master...
So I come here to see if there's any chance that we ship this
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un... through
an update...
PS: I just finished the normal local user mode, which means the remote login mode and pam-enabled mode might be even more ugly than before...because I have no such hardware environment to test...I can't even see those items.
Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
I could help in designing a new theme. However, the designer I don't know exactly how good it can be done on the actual code. For that, I will need to help of a coader but I can still create something and you can tell me if it is doable or not.
Andy (anditosan)
I went for something simple but also striking. Using the drama of the background image, the simple elements of username and password are back on the screen. Obviously the image can change depending on what's decided later. But let me know if this is something worth pursuing.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/KDM123Mockup1.png
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/Mockup2.png
Andy (anditosan)
Hi, Andy, If you want to design a theme for personal use, make it simple is a good idea. And it codes easy. But if you want to make an OS default, to keep simple is not enough. Because our users may face many situations, like if you do a remote login, you have to also input your domain name, if you are using pam, you need to make space for its hintings and prompts. And our default background only use openSUSE color scheme and abstract things like stripes and logo instead of landscapes, so making textareas without border or boxes may be not a good idea. Anyway learning some structure and syntax is always good. It's XML actually, or "GNOME greeter"(Google that please, I am on a mobile and about to sleep, so hard to find that link for you), with predefined elements like userlist, user-pw-entry and etc, following a box model like CSS. So if you can theme a website, you are okay with coding KDM/GDM theme. And you can find "test KDM theme" on kde-look.org. install xorg-server-extra and modify /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc and /etc/X11/xdm.d/Xaccess. Then you can test without log out and login. /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/openSUSE/openSUSE.xml might be your teacher. Maybe I can document these steps on wiki when I get up...but now I am sleeping... Ps: your mockup is of course doable. And can be done within a minute. But it's not enough for an OS default... Marguerite -- Sent from a stupid android without spell checking. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Marguerite <i@marguerite.su> wrote:
Andres Silva <anditosan1000@gmail.com>写到：
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andres Silva <anditosan1000@gmail.com> wrote:
Andy (anditosan)
On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Marguerite Su <i@marguerite.su> wrote:
Hi,
Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline.
To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good.
But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768.
So we have to believe it might because our late schedule for 12.2 which makes us under a lot of pressure and create things in a hurry.
So I take some time and reworked our KDM theme:
For those just want to see screenshots:
[with logo and login button]
[without them]
Or here:
https://raw.github.com/marguerite/openSUSE-12.2-KDM-branding-reworked/master...
So I come here to see if there's any chance that we ship this
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un... through
an update...
PS: I just finished the normal local user mode, which means the remote login mode and pam-enabled mode might be even more ugly than before...because I have no such hardware environment to test...I can't even see those items.
Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
I could help in designing a new theme. However, the designer I don't know exactly how good it can be done on the actual code. For that, I will need to help of a coader but I can still create something and you can tell me if it is doable or not.
Andy (anditosan)
I went for something simple but also striking. Using the drama of the background image, the simple elements of username and password are back on the screen. Obviously the image can change depending on what's decided later. But let me know if this is something worth pursuing.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/KDM123Mockup1.png
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/Mockup2.png
Andy (anditosan)
Hi, Andy,
If you want to design a theme for personal use, make it simple is a good idea. And it codes easy.
But if you want to make an OS default, to keep simple is not enough. Because our users may face many situations, like if you do a remote login, you have to also input your domain name, if you are using pam, you need to make space for its hintings and prompts.
And our default background only use openSUSE color scheme and abstract things like stripes and logo instead of landscapes, so making textareas without border or boxes may be not a good idea.
Anyway learning some structure and syntax is always good. It's XML actually, or "GNOME greeter"(Google that please, I am on a mobile and about to sleep, so hard to find that link for you), with predefined elements like userlist, user-pw-entry and etc, following a box model like CSS. So if you can theme a website, you are okay with coding KDM/GDM theme.
And you can find "test KDM theme" on kde-look.org. install xorg-server-extra and modify /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc and /etc/X11/xdm.d/Xaccess. Then you can test without log out and login.
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/openSUSE/openSUSE.xml might be your teacher.
Maybe I can document these steps on wiki when I get up...but now I am sleeping...
Ps: your mockup is of course doable. And can be done within a minute. But it's not enough for an OS default...
Marguerite
-- Sent from a stupid android without spell checking.
I think your suggestions are great. I have investigated the options that you mentioned and surely we can work those into a simple design. I am not a css guy myself but there are those in our team who could give this a try. Please let us know what's needed and we can take care of it. Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 26 November 2012 01.51:17 Marguerite Su wrote:
Hi,
Some users complained to me and swyear (swyear@opensuse.org) about 12.2 KDM theme online/offline.
To be frank it's the first time that we've ever heared of criticism over our artwork...that does not feel good.
But yes they have enough reasons to complain...the login screen is separated into two blocks which are nearly obaque that discord with kde's plasma and even discord with the ksplash we created...and the two blocks seems to be of full use of widescreen but displays very ugly on any 4:3 screen with resolution less than 1024:768.
This is a bogus packaging in our kde kdm package. Normally we shouldn't see the userlist (but the options should work) and yes having userlist + all the whistle and bells (AD/domain,pam etc) doesn't looks good on <800x600 During the 12.2 development I've asked on bugzilla feedback to users who were complaining ... Guess what : no feedback receive. If you find any better way to handle the situation, I will be the first to accept a sr against branding and also recreate the package an push a updated version (but then I fear that the conservative attitude will freeze the update for 12.2) But if we motivate the decision it could be doable. Marguerite, open a bug on bnc, and assign the task to you (or me) So we can handle the process to make a update easier to follow for everyone around. Thank to improve ... -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> wrote:
During the 12.2 development I've asked on bugzilla feedback to users who were complaining ... Guess what : no feedback receive.
I see...users sometimes _just complain_ instead of finding a solution together... especially when he doesn't know how to design such things... I'll document such greeter tutorial in artwork portal later, I'm drafting it on zh wiki... so that next our users may know what is doable and what is not. (like a lightdm like gdm theme is not doable)
If you find any better way to handle the situation, I will be the first to accept a sr against branding and also recreate the package an push a updated version (but then I fear that the conservative attitude will freeze the update for 12.2) But if we motivate the decision it could be doable.
I think we get enough feedbacks to take it as a "bug"...some heavy users already comment on that thread. I think our maintanence team will understand this case.
Marguerite, open a bug on bnc, and assign the task to you (or me) So we can handle the process to make a update easier to follow for everyone around.
Okay...I'll open a bug report and do some after work to make all other modes work, then we make the update.
Thank to improve ...
Thanks for taking my work : - ) Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/26/2012 12:35 PM, Marguerite Su wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> wrote:
During the 12.2 development I've asked on bugzilla feedback to users who were complaining ... Guess what : no feedback receive.
I see...users sometimes _just complain_ instead of finding a solution together... especially when he doesn't know how to design such things...
I'll document such greeter tutorial in artwork portal later, I'm drafting it on zh wiki... so that next our users may know what is doable and what is not. (like a lightdm like gdm theme is not doable)
If you find any better way to handle the situation, I will be the first to accept a sr against branding and also recreate the package an push a updated version (but then I fear that the conservative attitude will freeze the update for 12.2) But if we motivate the decision it could be doable.
I think we get enough feedbacks to take it as a "bug"...some heavy users already comment on that thread. I think our maintanence team will understand this case.
Marguerite, open a bug on bnc, and assign the task to you (or me) So we can handle the process to make a update easier to follow for everyone around.
Okay...I'll open a bug report and do some after work to make all other modes work, then we make the update.
Thank to improve ... Thanks for taking my work : - )
Marguerite I saw your work on kde-look.org. Many thanks :D
Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
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