[opensuse-artwork] Re: [opensuse-marketing] desktop statistics...
On 2011-07-13 Bruno wrote: <snip>
The default home page of all browsers on opensuse points to a very
simple url, like opensuse.org/home
That page is so usefull that almost all users will appreciate it.
For example, it just consists of a very plain and simple search bar (like this well-known one: http://www.google.de/firefox/). Or, maybe even better, it simply offers a number of search engines, and it will, based on a cookie, from here on replace itself with that search engine --- or even a blank page (about:blank). <snip> Even if the idea seems nice, it has lots of limits. Firstly you will never see my browser here, that will not be my homepage :-) Nor for the openSUSE I install.
Next you get a cookie, but it's totally false assumption that the desktop is installed how would you differentiate livecd with new cookie each time, or desktop installed and then replace by another distribution by the end user ?
How accurate will be your stats based on biased sources ?
I also wonder - is this more accurate than counting the visits of a system to download.opensuse.org? I thought we had a reasonably accurate way of distinguising systems there? Not every system uses firefox (servers don't, lots of chromium, opera and other users out there). I do like the idea of having a nice custom homepage for firefox so in that regard I'm all for it. And, following manu, I can only ask if anyone here or on the artist list (CC'ed) might be interested in making such a standard homepage?
Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> writes:
On 2011-07-13 Bruno wrote: <snip>
The default home page of all browsers on opensuse points to a very
simple url, like opensuse.org/home
That page is so usefull that almost all users will appreciate it.
For example, it just consists of a very plain and simple search bar (like this well-known one: http://www.google.de/firefox/). Or, maybe even better, it simply offers a number of search engines, and it will, based on a cookie, from here on replace itself with that search engine --- or even a blank page (about:blank). <snip> Even if the idea seems nice, it has lots of limits. Firstly you will never see my browser here, that will not be my homepage :-) Nor for the openSUSE I install.
When you start the browser for the very first time, for a new install, it will have this homepage. And the homepage will suggest which homepage to use in the future (see below), and it will use redirection to get you to that home page from there on, whenever you start the browser. So it will capture a lot for a lot of peoplke (except for you ;).
Next you get a cookie, but it's totally false assumption that the desktop is installed how would you differentiate livecd with new cookie each time, or desktop installed and then replace by another distribution by the end user ?
You mean lifecd *without* a local, persistent home? That one has a number of interesting statistics problems anyhow :) even if you use /var/lib/zypp/AnonymousUniqueId, those are a challenge.
How accurate will be your stats based on biased sources ?
What do you mean by "biased sources"?
I also wonder - is this more accurate than counting the visits of a system to download.opensuse.org? I thought we had a reasonably accurate way of distinguising systems there?
Yes, we have statistics counting updates on d.o.o, using /var/lib/zypp/AnonymousUniqueId These count the number of machines, recurring machines. However those do not count the number of desktop logins, which is different. i.e. How many people do really use openSUSE on a regular basis as their desktop? Do we mainly have a server operating system with few desktop users? Or is there a large share of regular desktop users out there?
Not every system uses firefox (servers don't, lots of chromium, opera and other users out there).
Oh, the mention of ff was just a random example. This will work for all browsers we ship ourselves. This is about a default landing page for _any_ openSUSE provided browser.
I do like the idea of having a nice custom homepage for firefox so in that regard I'm all for it. And, following manu, I can only ask if anyone here or on the artist list (CC'ed) might be interested in making such a standard homepage?
I think it should be very simple design, just a number of large buttons Welcome to openSUSE. Please choose a default browser homepage: search google search bing search yahoo use facebook blank page customize other something along such lines: We then store that selection in the cookie and each future browser start goes like this: show nothing fetch the cookie redirect to the cookie target that's it. S. -- Susanne Oberhauser SUSE LINUX Products GmbH +49-911-74053-574 Maxfeldstraße 5 Processes and Infrastructure 90409 Nürnberg GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org
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