Re: [opensuse-artwork] 12.3 (and beyond) To-Do list (was Re: Regular Meetings Proposal)
Rajko 01/05/13 6:38 PM >>> Don't get me wrong Richard, but your suggestions require to abolish
collaboration and let everyone learn every detail of distro, before one can publish anything.
On the contrary, the work of Ivan, Marcus, sumski, bruno and myself show that my suggestions don't require an abolishing of collaboration at all - we work collaboratively, and we do so accepting the technical realities of what the distribution currently uses and work to them. For too long, me and those like me have been forced to produce the entire 'stack' of materials for branding of openSUSE. From the original images, the aspect ratio optimised versions, the GNOME wallpapers, the application splashes, the GDM and KDM screens, plymouth, etc, all that work, all that art, has been produced by a relative handful of people, who are also the same people who end up doing all the work with git, OBS, produce the package, follow the package through to submission, etc Meanwhile, I see a larger number of keen individuals on this mailing list, identifying themselves as artists, expressing discontent and calling us elitists when folks like me don't take their beautiful looking, but technically useless, concepts and using them in the distribution. You're right, it shouldn't be this way, we should have artists who can produce materials that packagers and engineers like myself can use, but for several releases now this has not been the case. I've tried hard to address the situation by polite means. I've had private conversations at conferences with people like Andi to explain to them the situation and educate them, in the hope that I'd have less work to do and the community would be better for it Heck, I even stood back and withdrew myself from all -artwork affairs for a fair while, in the hope that my absence would give the room for those who feel as Andi do to step up and work to their own way and here we are, January with a To Do list a mile long If you want to discuss process & planning, I have no way of stopping you, but this thread, and the message I have been trying to convey in all of my recent posts to this mailing list is that we've had such discussions for months and they've got us no where Enough talk and pissing time up the wall. We don't have time to plan or produce pretty procedures for others to follow, we need to *produce*, or else openSUSE 12.3 will not be finished. If you want to contribute, pick something off that stupidly long to do list and get productive. I'm doing everything I can to help with that, such as pointing people in the direction of each individual part of GitHub and watching this list as closely as I can to provide any advice, while doing my best to tackle what I can from that list. If you feel this way is not the 'right' way, not how we should be doing things, and not ideal, I totally agree with you, but discussing that problem and trying to fix it isn't going to get openSUSE 12.3 branded and right now that should be this teams ONLY concern. - Rich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
+1,000! You got right down to the hard of the matter Richard. I commend you. Bryen On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 02:51 +0000, Richard Brown wrote:
Rajko 01/05/13 6:38 PM >>> Don't get me wrong Richard, but your suggestions require to abolish
collaboration and let everyone learn every detail of distro, before one can publish anything.
On the contrary, the work of Ivan, Marcus, sumski, bruno and myself show that my suggestions don't require an abolishing of collaboration at all - we work collaboratively, and we do so accepting the technical realities of what the distribution currently uses and work to them.
For too long, me and those like me have been forced to produce the entire 'stack' of materials for branding of openSUSE. From the original images, the aspect ratio optimised versions, the GNOME wallpapers, the application splashes, the GDM and KDM screens, plymouth, etc, all that work, all that art, has been produced by a relative handful of people, who are also the same people who end up doing all the work with git, OBS, produce the package, follow the package through to submission, etc
Meanwhile, I see a larger number of keen individuals on this mailing list, identifying themselves as artists, expressing discontent and calling us elitists when folks like me don't take their beautiful looking, but technically useless, concepts and using them in the distribution.
You're right, it shouldn't be this way, we should have artists who can produce materials that packagers and engineers like myself can use, but for several releases now this has not been the case.
I've tried hard to address the situation by polite means. I've had private conversations at conferences with people like Andi to explain to them the situation and educate them, in the hope that I'd have less work to do and the community would be better for it
Heck, I even stood back and withdrew myself from all -artwork affairs for a fair while, in the hope that my absence would give the room for those who feel as Andi do to step up and work to their own way
and here we are, January with a To Do list a mile long
If you want to discuss process & planning, I have no way of stopping you, but this thread, and the message I have been trying to convey in all of my recent posts to this mailing list is that we've had such discussions for months and they've got us no where
Enough talk and pissing time up the wall. We don't have time to plan or produce pretty procedures for others to follow, we need to *produce*, or else openSUSE 12.3 will not be finished.
If you want to contribute, pick something off that stupidly long to do list and get productive. I'm doing everything I can to help with that, such as pointing people in the direction of each individual part of GitHub and watching this list as closely as I can to provide any advice, while doing my best to tackle what I can from that list.
If you feel this way is not the 'right' way, not how we should be doing things, and not ideal, I totally agree with you, but discussing that problem and trying to fix it isn't going to get openSUSE 12.3 branded and right now that should be this teams ONLY concern.
- Rich
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