Hi All, I found this article from a few years ago, which seems increasingly relevant given the recent tone of discussions on this mailinglist. I'd recommend that everyone reads it http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not-democracy While I think it's broadly reassuring that the issues we are facing here are not unique to ourselves, I think we could all benefit from learning the same lessons that Ubuntu, Debian, and others have learnt before us. Working in open source is not a democracy, and at the end of the day someone has to do the work to turn a design idea into a package in openSUSE factory. For those of us with the skills to do this, I encourage you to help, pitch in, and ideally work collaboratively to turn a single design into the best it can be for openSUSE 12.3. I feel competition has not served the artwork process in openSUSE well, and strongly encourage everyone to pitch in and co-operate. Only 1 design can be the default in 12.3, and if we have more than a few people actually helping make it better, then it's our users who benefit, as well as the project, while we all learn from the experience. Alternatively, if you do not feel this is the best way forward, feel free to continue as you are, feel free to develop and package up a second design, and when the Release Team see conflicting submissions of your design alongside the Grow design from Ivan, Marcus and myself, then we'll all get to have a fun time negotiating with them to decide which one ends up in the final release In the meantime, I'm packaging up what Ivan, Marcus and Myself have produced to date, and I expect to have it submitted to openSUSE factory by the end of the day For those of you without the skills to see a design through to packaging and submission, don't be discouraged. We DO want your feedback, we do want your advice, we do want your ideas. But at the end of the day, someone has to do the work to turn those ideas into reality, and sometimes that means it'll end up being 'our take' on your ideas, rather a perfect reflection of your vision. Of course, this is open source, and everything we are doing is open, out there for you to learn from - if any of you wish to learn what it takes to produce artwork that can actually be used with the current openSUSE distribution, or wish to learn in order to change what can be used, then great, pitch in, get cracking, and feel free to ask me for advice But lets call an end to the squabbling and get on with the building - Milestone 2 is already out the door and we don't even have a draft in Factory yet. Let's see if we can get something acceptable to most in and at least partially polished by the first Beta so we can spend the period between Beta and Release improving it based on everyone's feedback, including the regulars of this channel Regards Richard Brown RBrownCCB@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org