[opensuse-arm] BeagleBone for openSUSE ARM
Hi All, I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks a lot -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Manu, On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome.
It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here: http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products However, plase double check that the cpu is armv7 based. ARM11 (like the raspberry pi) is too old for our hardfp distro. However, if you're interested in working on higher layers of the stack, like yast or gnome or some other user space aplication, you are better off using a board that is well-known to work. Currently that includes the Beagleboard xM and the Pandaboard. I don't know if thd beaglebone works. It might, but I haven't tried it and I don't think anyone else has. However, IIUC it doesn't have a graphical interface anyway, so your use case of attaching it to your monitor won't work. Thanks a lot for the interest in the openSUSE ARM port! And just let me know if you have further questions. Alex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products
There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc). [0] : real URL : http://www.hardware-modules.com/index.php?page=SBC_Comparator&lang=en&cpu_arch_arm=show&cpu_nb_cores=x&cpu_freq=0&dsp=x&cpld_fpga=x&temp_min=0&temp_max=70&fanless=x&form_factor=x&licence=x&ram=0&nand=0&nor=0&onenand=0&emmc=0&ssd=0&ts_res=x&ts_cap=x&gpio=0ðernet_nb=0ðernet_type=10%2F100&bt=x&wifi=x&zigbee=x&gps=x&fm=x&usb_otg=0&usb_host=0&usb_device=0&sd_mmc_sdio=0&uart=0&i2c=0&spi=0&one_wire=0&ssi=0&can=0&pci=0&pcie=0&sata=0&isa=0&gp_bus=x&watchdog=x&keypad=0&adc=0&dac=0&pwm=0&rtc=x&jtag=x&battery_charger=x&backup_cell=x&accelerometer=0&gyrometer=0&magnetometer=0&bsp_linux=yes&general_infos=show&price=show&processing_units=show&memories=show
However, plase double check that the cpu is armv7 based. ARM11 (like the raspberry pi) is too old for our hardfp distro.
However, if you're interested in working on higher layers of the stack, like yast or gnome or some other user space aplication, you are better off using a board that is well-known to work. Currently that includes the Beagleboard xM and the Pandaboard.
I don't know if thd beaglebone works. It might, but I haven't tried it and I don't think anyone else has. However, IIUC it doesn't have a graphical interface anyway, so your use case of attaching it to your monitor won't work.
Beagleboard xM can be connected to a HDMI/DVI monitor/TV or to a S-video TV. Pandaboard (ES) can be connected to an HDMI TV or a DVI monitor. Both have additional headers to connect a touchscreen LCD.
Thanks a lot for the interest in the openSUSE ARM port! And just let me know if you have further questions.
Alex
Nice to have more people involved! ;) Guillaume -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Hey Manu, On 19 July 2012 08:52, Guillaume Gardet <guillaume.gardet@free.fr> wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome.
It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc).
However, plase double check that the cpu is armv7 based. ARM11 (like the raspberry pi) is too old for our hardfp distro.
However, if you're interested in working on higher layers of the stack, like yast or gnome or some other user space aplication, you are better off using a board that is well-known to work. Currently that includes the Beagleboard xM and the Pandaboard.
I don't know if thd beaglebone works. It might, but I haven't tried it and I don't think anyone else has. However, IIUC it doesn't have a graphical interface anyway, so your use case of attaching it to your monitor won't work.
Beagleboard xM can be connected to a HDMI/DVI monitor/TV or to a S-video TV. Pandaboard (ES) can be connected to an HDMI TV or a DVI monitor. Both have additional headers to connect a touchscreen LCD.
Thanks a lot for the interest in the openSUSE ARM port! And just let me know if you have further questions.
Alex
Nice to have more people involved! ;)
Guillaume
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Can your employer not help you with an Origen or an ODroidX? The Samsung SoC is one that we are missing support for. I and others haven't had a chance to look at them properly. If you were able to work on these that would be a huge help ;-) Otherwise, go with Guillaume and Alex's recommendations. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
On 19.07.2012, at 09:52, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products
There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc).
Yeah, that part can be tricky. Here's a small cheat sheet to get you through the ARM numbering nightmare: ARM9 -> armv5 ARM11 -> armv6 Cortex A8 -> armv7 (single core) Cortex A9 -> armv7 (usually multi-core, can be single-core) Allwinner A10 -> Cortex A8 -> armv7 Alex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/07/2012 10:11, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 09:52, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc). Yeah, that part can be tricky. Here's a small cheat sheet to get you through the ARM numbering nightmare:
ARM9 -> armv5 ARM11 -> armv6 Cortex A8 -> armv7 (single core) Cortex A9 -> armv7 (usually multi-core, can be single-core) Allwinner A10 -> Cortex A8 -> armv7
Yes, it is a real nightmare! Wikipedia can help you if needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores Guillaume -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
On 19.07.2012, at 10:22, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Le 19/07/2012 10:11, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 09:52, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc). Yeah, that part can be tricky. Here's a small cheat sheet to get you through the ARM numbering nightmare:
ARM9 -> armv5 ARM11 -> armv6 Cortex A8 -> armv7 (single core) Cortex A9 -> armv7 (usually multi-core, can be single-core) Allwinner A10 -> Cortex A8 -> armv7
Yes, it is a real nightmare! Wikipedia can help you if needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores
Ah, right. I forgot 3 interesting ones: Cortex A15 -> armv7 (with virtualization) Cortex A5 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A9 -> armv7 Cortex A7 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A15 -> armv7 Though A15/A7 are basically next-gen still, so it's very hard to get your hands on silicon. I haven't seen A5s in the wild either yet. Anyone not confused yet? :) Alex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/07/2012 10:27, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 10:22, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Le 19/07/2012 10:11, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 09:52, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current budget for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the net, I came across BeagleBone http://beagleboard.org/bone Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above price range. Suggestions are welcome. It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/26/list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=list-of-39-low-cost-linux-friendly-boards-and-products There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc). Yeah, that part can be tricky. Here's a small cheat sheet to get you through the ARM numbering nightmare:
ARM9 -> armv5 ARM11 -> armv6 Cortex A8 -> armv7 (single core) Cortex A9 -> armv7 (usually multi-core, can be single-core) Allwinner A10 -> Cortex A8 -> armv7 Yes, it is a real nightmare! Wikipedia can help you if needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores Ah, right. I forgot 3 interesting ones:
Cortex A15 -> armv7 (with virtualization) Cortex A5 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A9 -> armv7 Cortex A7 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A15 -> armv7
Though A15/A7 are basically next-gen still, so it's very hard to get your hands on silicon. I haven't seen A5s in the wild either yet.
Anyone not confused yet? :)
It is ok for me but I cheat since I work with ARM SoC since a while and I follow each new ARM. ;) You forgot the next generation armv8 with 64-bit support and lots of new features! ;) Ok, AFAIK no silicon is out yet. Guillaume -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
On 19 July 2012 09:36, Guillaume Gardet <guillaume.gardet@free.fr> wrote:
Le 19/07/2012 10:27, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 10:22, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Le 19/07/2012 10:11, Alexander Graf a écrit :
On 19.07.2012, at 09:52, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/07/2012 18:32, Alexander Graf a écrit :
Hi Manu,
On 18.07.2012, at 18:09, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
> Hi All, > > I have been looking on the internet for a ARM board. My current > budget > for an ARM board is 100 Euros / 6000 INR. While going through the > net, > I came across > BeagleBone > http://beagleboard.org/bone > Can you guys have a look at it and suggest me if its a okaish choice. > Is there anything else that you can suggest me under the same range. > One more question I had was, if I buy this board Can I connect it to > my Laptop's LCD as I cannot afford anything over and above the above > price range. Suggestions are welcome.
It really depends on the layer you want to work at. If you're fine to work on actual board bringup, any armv7 board will be helpful. There are lists for embedded devices available here:
There is also this website : http://tinyurl.com/ct8gy3s [0] which have some interesting boards. The list is not very big since it is a new website but the board finder is useful to filter boards. But it does not give the ARM version (armv5, armv7, etc).
Yeah, that part can be tricky. Here's a small cheat sheet to get you through the ARM numbering nightmare:
ARM9 -> armv5 ARM11 -> armv6 Cortex A8 -> armv7 (single core) Cortex A9 -> armv7 (usually multi-core, can be single-core) Allwinner A10 -> Cortex A8 -> armv7
Yes, it is a real nightmare! Wikipedia can help you if needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores
Ah, right. I forgot 3 interesting ones:
Cortex A15 -> armv7 (with virtualization) Cortex A5 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A9 -> armv7 Cortex A7 -> big.LITTLE Companion core to Cortex A15 -> armv7
Not 100% correct ;-) Cortex A5 is not part of big.LITTLE, only A15 & A7. Cortex A7 also support virtualization like the A15 All three are available individually and are all multi-core capable.
Though A15/A7 are basically next-gen still, so it's very hard to get your hands on silicon. I haven't seen A5s in the wild either yet.
A15 & A7 are still a short way away, rumour has it that Exynos5 and OMAP5 SoCs will contain A15/7 chips. There are a couple of A5 devices announced, one from LG and one from a Chinese vendor (one of those USB style devices) but I can't find the links atm. I do have an A15 and A7 in a big.LITTLE config at work, but haven't had enough time to work with them yet.
Anyone not confused yet? :)
I've just done a course and that confused me even more! :-D
It is ok for me but I cheat since I work with ARM SoC since a while and I follow each new ARM. ;)
You forgot the next generation armv8 with 64-bit support and lots of new features! ;) Ok, AFAIK no silicon is out yet.
Correct, no silicon yet and probably wont be for a year or two.
Guillaume
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On 07/19/2012 10:27 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
Anyone not confused yet? :)
It will be really terrible if this gets out of the engineers to regular customers (means consumers of products). The assumption is that a software can run on N+1 (at least) and that N+1 is better than N. With these number schemes customer might aim for an ARM 11, believing this is better that an A9 etc. etc. greetings form the non-technical side, Kai Dupke Senior Product Manager Server Product Line -- Phone: +49-(0)5102-9310828 Mail: kai.dupke@suse.com Mobile: +49-(0)173-5876766 WWW: www.suse.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH - Maxfeldstr. 5 - 90409 Nuernberg (Germany) GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nurnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
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