[opensuse-arm] openSUSE on Raspberry B+/2 usable as a server?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear opensuse-on-Raspi-Folks, I read the last couple of months of the mails on the opensuse-arm mailinglist, but I am not sure: Is openSUSE 13.x usable on a Raspberry B+ or 2? If I find one of the few images that are installing correctly, can I keep it up to date and secure without issues? (I am not talking about Tumbleweed, I'd prefer something less time consuming. And I do not mean I would take lots of manual intervention, its just lots and lots of updates and the occasional configuration change) Ideally this would mean 13.1 or 13.2 being usable, or maybe Leap is going to be usable. Anyone tried Leap yet? Thanks in advance for your input! Johannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlYgDfMACgkQzi3gQ/xETbJChQCeN/wgiXCfLio5jP3pG3iVqpsp C4sAn1d0VJW5KGj40ROlSQ7yVfc7Z4UQ =mMa1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 15 oktober 2015 22:35:05 schreef Johannes Kastl:
Dear opensuse-on-Raspi-Folks,
I read the last couple of months of the mails on the opensuse-arm mailinglist, but I am not sure:
Is openSUSE 13.x usable on a Raspberry B+ or 2? If I find one of the few images that are installing correctly, can I keep it up to date and secure without issues?
I have a Raspberry Pi 1B running now for a few years with openSUSE 13.2 as a server; e-mail, imap and apache and a small other application. Obviously a 1B+ or a 2B are also usable as servers. It very much depends on the load it has to cope with. However the image I started with, 13.2, is no longer available and there are no updates for this version. AFAIK currently the only working image with openSUSE Tumbleweed is for a 2B. The available openSUSE Tumbleweed images for 1B are not working, but I still have a working image which I can make available after private communication. The repositories for this Tumbleweed version gets regular updates and I have no problems when updating the systems (1B and 2B).
(I am not talking about Tumbleweed, I'd prefer something less time consuming. And I do not mean I would take lots of manual intervention, its just lots and lots of updates and the occasional configuration change)
There is not really a need to do updates unless it is a security update that affects the security of your system. So after installation and configuration you can leave the system as be. No need to keep up with Tumbleweed.
Ideally this would mean 13.1 or 13.2 being usable, or maybe Leap is going to be usable. Anyone tried Leap yet?
I am not aware that there is a Leap version for the Raspberry Pi. Not even considered.
Thanks in advance for your input!
Johannes
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Am 16.10.2015 um 11:12 schrieb Freek de Kruijf:
Ideally this would mean 13.1 or 13.2 being usable, or maybe Leap is
going to be usable. Anyone tried Leap yet? I am not aware that there is a Leap version for the Raspberry Pi. Not even considered.
Is there any Leap support planned for the ARMs? Tumbleweed is ok if you want to have latest and greatest, but when an update stops the ARM board working (so seen with kernel 4.2 update) it would be better to have something more stable for "productive" environments. Br, Frank -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 18.10.15 Frank Kunz wrote:
Is there any Leap support planned for the ARMs?
I hope there will be, once it is released and the whole process is going.
Tumbleweed is ok if you want to have latest and greatest, but when an update stops the ARM board working (so seen with kernel 4.2 update) it would be better to have something more stable for "productive" environments.
+1 Johannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlYj8esACgkQzi3gQ/xETbKvfgCeLFWGXoS/EpjQ2v/OTLMbX4G0 eVEAoIqERP0Z2eFRxb7Y77VhCQzgf99b =0E8D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Am 18.10.2015 um 21:24 schrieb Johannes Kastl:
On 18.10.15 Frank Kunz wrote:
I am not aware that there is a Leap version for the Raspberry Pi. Not even considered.
Is there any Leap support planned for the ARMs?
I hope there will be, once it is released and the whole process is going.
According to Dirk, there are indeed no plans for armv7l or armv6l. Apart from no one volunteering to bootstrap the build, e.g. using 13.2, we are currently very limited on armv7l build power (our Arndale boards broke, need to find time to debug) and the time before the Leap repository gets frozen for release seems insufficient to get a full build done under the circumstances. armv6l building under linux-user emulation would be even slower (déjà-vu: 13.2) and is getting only little love in Tumbleweed already.
Tumbleweed is ok if you want to have latest and greatest, but when an update stops the ARM board working (so seen with kernel 4.2 update) it would be better to have something more stable for "productive" environments.
+1
A +1 does not get a stable distro release done... ;-) You are of course free to try rebuilding Leap in a private OBS installation and report whether everything builds and works. If you know companies that would sponsor more virtualization-capable ARMv7-A hardware (Cortex-A7/-A15/-A17) or AArch32-capable ARMv8-A hardware, ideally supported in the mainline kernel and with sufficient RAM, feel free to reach out to them. Regards, Andreas -- SUSE Linux GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 26.10.15 Andreas Färber wrote:
According to Dirk, there are indeed no plans for armv7l or armv6l.
Sad. I was looking forward to using leap on raspis and stuff.
Apart from no one volunteering to bootstrap the build, e.g. using 13.2, we are currently very limited on armv7l build power (our Arndale boards broke, need to find time to debug) and the time before the Leap repository gets frozen for release seems insufficient to get a full build done under the circumstances.
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A +1 does not get a stable distro release done... ;-)
I know that. But to me using and especially building ARM-related things is like voodoo. I begin to understand how OBS and building works with all the prjconfs and Prefers and whatever. But ARM-things just throw in u-boot and dtbs and all kinds of scary stuff. I'd need a lot of free time and a very pressing use case to dig into that. So I was kinda hoping enough of the experts are having enough free time to do what I cannot... ;-) Johannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlYvF2cACgkQzi3gQ/xETbJ1NgCfbJHoGTuvhxf5iLJS1QuPSI2v gbwAoJEC39/oztb3cE1YW0tYbe54btF4 =n1I2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Johannes Kastl wrote:
On 26.10.15 Andreas Färber wrote:
According to Dirk, there are indeed no plans for armv7l or armv6l.
Sad. I was looking forward to using leap on raspis and stuff.
I can say that the Factory/Tumbleweed stuff works pretty stable on my four rpi1 for one year now. I hope the armv6 stuff gets still updated for a while. If yes, I have no real need for Leap. Ciao, Michael.
Le 26/10/2015 20:52, Andreas Färber a écrit :
Am 18.10.2015 um 21:24 schrieb Johannes Kastl:
On 18.10.15 Frank Kunz wrote:
I am not aware that there is a Leap version for the Raspberry Pi. Not even considered. Is there any Leap support planned for the ARMs? I hope there will be, once it is released and the whole process is going. According to Dirk, there are indeed no plans for armv7l or armv6l.
Too bad. :(
Apart from no one volunteering to bootstrap the build, e.g. using 13.2, we are currently very limited on armv7l build power (our Arndale boards broke, need to find time to debug) and the time before the Leap repository gets frozen for release seems insufficient to get a full build done under the circumstances.
We could disable armv7 Factory build for a week or so, to be able to build Leap. That was done for previous releases.
armv6l building under linux-user emulation would be even slower (déjà-vu: 13.2) and is getting only little love in Tumbleweed already.
armv6 is only (or almost) for RPi 1. So, Tumbleweed for this one seems ok to me. But we support lots of armv7 boards, so not having it for leap sounds very bad. :( AArch64 is supported by Leap, but it seems there are not much boards available for a reasonable price.
Tumbleweed is ok if you want to have latest and greatest, but when an update stops the ARM board working (so seen with kernel 4.2 update) it would be better to have something more stable for "productive" environments. +1 A +1 does not get a stable distro release done... ;-)
You are of course free to try rebuilding Leap in a private OBS installation and report whether everything builds and works.
It is a very big task and not very easy to do. (Is there a how-to somewhere?)
If you know companies that would sponsor more virtualization-capable ARMv7-A hardware (Cortex-A7/-A15/-A17) or AArch32-capable ARMv8-A hardware, ideally supported in the mainline kernel and with sufficient RAM, feel free to reach out to them.
Cortex-A7 is designed to be low power and is not powerful. (RPi2 is a quad-core A7 with 1 GB of RAM and using it as an OBS worker is quite bad (done in packman).) I use a SabreLite (iMX6) as an OBS worker for a while and it is very good. (Stable and powerful). But this is a quad-core cortex-A9 (not virtualization-capable). Do you really need virtualization? If you want to run qemu (not chroot), you could just do it on cortex-A9. No? One solution could be to allow some ARMv7 boards to connect to OBS (using VPN). But I think OBS worker network is closed (not able to reach Internet), for security reasons. Guillaume
Regards, Andreas
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Freek, On 16.10.15 Freek de Kruijf wrote:
However the image I started with, 13.2, is no longer available and there are no updates for this version.
"no updates": Do you mean there is no repository, where updated versions are available? Or do you rather mean that newer images to not work, i.e. are not bootable or similar?
AFAIK currently the only working image with openSUSE Tumbleweed is for a 2B. The available openSUSE Tumbleweed images for 1B are not working, but I still have a working image which I can make available after private communication. The repositories for this Tumbleweed version gets regular updates and I have no problems when updating the systems (1B and 2B).
Hmm, I was thinking about installing the tumbleweed image and then changing the repositories and downgrading all the packages to the versions from 13.2. But that may not be a working way, if I understand you correctly...
There is not really a need to do updates unless it is a security update that affects the security of your system. So after installation and configuration you can leave the system as be. No need to keep up with Tumbleweed.
Picking out the security relevant updates would mean manual intervention. Johannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlYj8aUACgkQzi3gQ/xETbJt5gCfZyNtoY8VSlMYhyLpgp6t5816 1yUAn1lQYaWUnn+9E6T7FseBj+9mec3F =n663 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
Op zondag 18 oktober 2015 21:23:22 schreef Johannes Kastl:
Hi Freek,
On 16.10.15 Freek de Kruijf wrote:
However the image I started with, 13.2, is no longer available and there are no updates for this version.
"no updates": Do you mean there is no repository, where updated versions are available? Or do you rather mean that newer images to not work, i.e. are not bootable or similar?
There is no update repository.
AFAIK currently the only working image with openSUSE Tumbleweed is for a 2B. The available openSUSE Tumbleweed images for 1B are not working, but I still have a working image which I can make available after private communication. The repositories for this Tumbleweed version gets regular updates and I have no problems when updating the systems (1B and 2B).
Hmm, I was thinking about installing the tumbleweed image and then changing the repositories and downgrading all the packages to the versions from 13.2. But that may not be a working way, if I understand you correctly...
There is not really a need to do updates unless it is a security update that affects the security of your system. So after installation and configuration you can leave the system as be. No need to keep up with Tumbleweed.
Picking out the security relevant updates would mean manual intervention.
You can't have too many applications on a Raspberry Pi, so the need to do updates is very limited. Just use an x86 with at least the applications you use on the RPi and when you notice that security patches are available for these applications or the underlying system, apply these updates also on the RPi. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@opensuse.org
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