openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi, I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS-efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured: # zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo/oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones. -- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----- ---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side. OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed. Dirk, any advise? Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
That is how we have found that I am a single Leap on armv7 user all over the world :-) пн, 11 июл. 2022 г., 17:44 Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>:
Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service
--+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+-----
---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE |
http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo...
ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE |
http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep...
ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side.
OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed.
Dirk, any advise?
Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
The survey we did before enabling armv7 for Leap, showed interest from openSUSE community for armv7 boards. That’s why we made the effort to continue armv7 support for Leap. If the interest is much lower today, we could revisit this. The other possibility is that people just flash a new image and do not update it via zypper. Guillaume From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 19:10 To: Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com> Cc: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>; nd <nd@arm.com>; Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.com> Subject: Re: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates That is how we have found that I am a single Leap on armv7 user all over the world :-) пн, 11 июл. 2022 г., 17:44 Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com<mailto:Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>>: Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com<mailto:matwey.kornilov@gmail.com>> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org<mailto:opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----- ---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side. OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed. Dirk, any advise? Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
Well. I feel that I want to help with sorting this out, but unfortunately I am completely out of context how it was supposed to work. вт, 12 июл. 2022 г. в 11:17, Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>:
The survey we did before enabling armv7 for Leap, showed interest from openSUSE community for armv7 boards. That’s why we made the effort to continue armv7 support for Leap.
If the interest is much lower today, we could revisit this.
The other possibility is that people just flash a new image and do not update it via zypper.
Guillaume
From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 19:10 To: Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com> Cc: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>; nd <nd@arm.com>; Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.com> Subject: Re: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
That is how we have found that I am a single Leap on armv7 user all over the world :-)
пн, 11 июл. 2022 г., 17:44 Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>:
Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----- ---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side.
OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed.
Dirk, any advise?
Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
Hello, On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 08:16:45AM +0000, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
The survey we did before enabling armv7 for Leap, showed interest from openSUSE community for armv7 boards. That’s why we made the effort to continue armv7 support for Leap. If the interest is much lower today, we could revisit this.
Maybe it's time to re-evalueate then. While small 32bit boards nice because they are cheap the performance is quite limiting. It's nice to be able to run the same base system as you do on the desktop but Tumbleweed and/or something like MicroOS might suffice for that. In the past the availablility of 64bit boards was not great, and the advantage over 32bit was not significant. This has both changed. Then again the price of all boards has risen due to chip shortage, and while 64bit now provides actual performance advantage today it still comes at a price premium. The 64bit chips did not make it to budget Arm devices so far.
The other possibility is that people just flash a new image and do not update it via zypper.
Wouldn't these see the same fate as the repo - no updates with QA stopped? Also hasn't the development moved to 15.4? Thanks Michal
Guillaume
From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 19:10 To: Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com> Cc: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>; nd <nd@arm.com>; Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.com> Subject: Re: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
That is how we have found that I am a single Leap on armv7 user all over the world :-)
пн, 11 июл. 2022 г., 17:44 Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com<mailto:Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>>: Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com<mailto:matwey.kornilov@gmail.com>> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org<mailto:opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----- ---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side.
OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed.
Dirk, any advise?
Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
вт, 22 нояб. 2022 г. в 21:28, Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de>:
Hello,
On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 08:16:45AM +0000, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
The survey we did before enabling armv7 for Leap, showed interest from openSUSE community for armv7 boards. That’s why we made the effort to continue armv7 support for Leap. If the interest is much lower today, we could revisit this.
Maybe it's time to re-evalueate then.
Hi, The distrowatch knows only five (really 2.5) RPM-based distros with fixed-release model and armv7 support: openSUSE/SLES, Fedora (which already discontinued armv7), Mageia, and ALT Linux. So, I would say that armv7l support for Leap should stay. But in-fact it seems to be half-dead. If anybody knows what I (personally) can do to help enable repos/QA for 15.3, please tell.
While small 32bit boards nice because they are cheap the performance is quite limiting. It's nice to be able to run the same base system as you do on the desktop but Tumbleweed and/or something like MicroOS might suffice for that.
In the past the availablility of 64bit boards was not great, and the advantage over 32bit was not significant. This has both changed.
Then again the price of all boards has risen due to chip shortage, and while 64bit now provides actual performance advantage today it still comes at a price premium. The 64bit chips did not make it to budget Arm devices so far.
The other possibility is that people just flash a new image and do not update it via zypper.
Wouldn't these see the same fate as the repo - no updates with QA stopped?
Also hasn't the development moved to 15.4?
Thanks
Michal
Guillaume
From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com> Sent: 11 July 2022 19:10 To: Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com> Cc: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>; nd <nd@arm.com>; Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.com> Subject: Re: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
That is how we have found that I am a single Leap on armv7 user all over the world :-)
пн, 11 июл. 2022 г., 17:44 Guillaume Gardet <Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com<mailto:Guillaume.Gardet@arm.com>>: Hi,
-----Original Message----- From: Matwey V. Kornilov <matwey.kornilov@gmail.com<mailto:matwey.kornilov@gmail.com>> Sent: 11 July 2022 16:36 To: Mailinglist openSUSE ARM <opensuse-arm@opensuse.org<mailto:opensuse-arm@opensuse.org>> Subject: openSUSE Leap 15.3 armv7l: updates
Hi,
I am trying to migrate my 15.2 armv7l installations to 15.3, and I cannot figure out if it is anyhow usable. It seems that updates are not published (existed?) for 15.3 armv7l architecture. To check this I've downloaded openSUSE-Leap-15.3-ARM-JeOS- efi.armv7l-2021.05.31-Build8.31.raw image and started it in qemu/kvm. The following repositories are preconfigured:
# zypper lr -d # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service --+-------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----- ---+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------- 1 | repo-debug | Debug Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/debug/distribution/leap/15.3/repo... ss/ | 2 | repo-debug-update | Update Repository (Debug) | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/debug/update/leap/15.3/oss/ | 3 | repo-oss | Main Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/leap/15.3/repo | /oss/ | 4 | repo-source | Source Repository | No | ---- | ---- | 99 | NONE | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/source/distribution/leap/15.3/rep... ss/ | 5 | repo-update | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/
There is no update repo for armv7 because updates come from SLE and there is no armv7 support on SLE side.
OBS project for armv7 Leap is not frozen, so I would have expected updates delivered from there, but openQA was disabled for armv7, so nothing moved it seems. This need to be fixed.
Dirk, any advise?
Guillaume
However, https://download.opensuse.org/ports/update/leap/15.3/oss/ doesn't contains any armv7l packages. As far as I learned there should exist Step repositories but I've failed to find ones.
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
-- With best regards, Matwey V. Kornilov
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Guillaume Gardet -
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Michal Suchánek