I disabled the Serial ATA drive and installed a 60GIG standard ATA133 drive. I installed Windows on this drive to confirm all the hardware was working and it was. In went the SUSE 9.0 PRO for AMD 64 DVD I paid $200 for, it displayed the install menu, I selected INSTALL and it start to boot. It then promptly seized up at exactly the same place it did before as below: Starting hardware detection

misc.1.3 read floppy - then nothing.

I've just about had it with SUSE linux, for my $200 and let me be extremely clear about this, I expect and DEMAND the ability to install this without jumping through 40 hoops to get the bloody thing to work. I have already wasted too much time on this and I am going give SUSE to the Thursday the 16th to come up with a solution, otherwise at which time I will be returning this piece of crap to the store and getting my money back. I'm sorry for my attitude but until Linux Vendors manage to fiqure out that customers who pay actual money for their products expect them to bloody well work (yes I'm very pissed) LINUX will continue to be largely irrelevant. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:aj@suse.de] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:36 AM To: davereid@telusplanet.net Cc: suse-amd64@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-amd64] Status of Serial ATA support "Dave Reid" writes:

I'm rather amazed at the emails on this list that I found that helped explain why the SUSE 9.0 for AMD64 won't load, No Serial ATA Support for the VIA chipset (or any chipset for that matter). What a crushing appointment, I built this machine specfically to use SUSE 9.0 for AMD 64, and yes I bought modern hardware like a serial ATA drive. If Linux cannot support the current hardware generation it will continue to remain

Unless HW vendors develop drivers themselves or take care that their brand new hardware works everywhere and not only on Windows, we will always have this problem. The situation is much better than 5 years ago but there's still a difference in support by most vendors. So, brand new hardware is always at risk.

marginalized on the desktop bigtime. So when can I expect Serial ATA support (I will not go to last generation hardware) or did I just waste my money on this thing? So much for the easy installation, what a joke.

We plan to release a new kernel this month with Serial ATA support for the VIA chipset. But making this available so that you can install on your system takes some tricks. I'll check whether this is possible after my vacation. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

I disabled the Serial ATA drive and installed a 60GIG standard ATA133 drive. I installed Windows on this drive to confirm all the hardware was working and it was. In went the SUSE 9.0 PRO for AMD 64 DVD I paid $200 for, it displayed the install menu, I selected INSTALL and it start to boot. It

Hi Dave, not sure if it helps but when I installed Suse 8.2 and Suse 9.0 64-bit in my SK8N board with ATA133 I only was able to reboot it using ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off parameters at boot line in GRUB. These parameters are listed at Safe Boot menu option. This same problem happend to me with an older board during install boot and I could proceed normally using the safe boot option from the install menu. I still have to trim down which of the 3 parameters I can exclude from the boot line so to disable functions. ide=nodma should slow down disc performance a bit but I would have to benchmark how much. Hope that helps. (Embedded image moved to file: pic26299.gif) (Embedded image moved to file: O: +55 11 F: +55 11 EY/Comm: pic17035.gif)Rodrigo De 3523-5494 3078-1105 4776668 Vincenzo Monteiro Andreas Jaeger To: cc: 12/01/2004 06:12 Subject: Re: [suse-amd64] Status of Serial ATA support "Dave Reid" writes: then

promptly seized up at exactly the same place it did before as below:

Starting hardware detection

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misc.1.3 read floppy - then nothing.

This so far was always a BIOS bug. So, please buy next time correctly working hardware. Workarounds: - Add "idle=poll" to the linuxrc command line (where you choose the boot options) - Disable legacy USB support Which of these two will help, depends on the exact problem and the BIOS bug.

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Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

"Dave Reid" writes:

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I disabled the Serial ATA drive and installed a 60GIG standard ATA133 drive. I installed Windows on this drive to confirm all the hardware was working and it was. In went the SUSE 9.0 PRO for AMD 64 DVD I paid $200 for, it displayed the install menu, I selected INSTALL and it start to boot. It then promptly seized up at exactly the same place it did before as below:

Starting hardware detection

...

misc.1.3 read floppy - then nothing.

This so far was always a BIOS bug. So, please buy next time correctly working hardware.

Workarounds: - Add "idle=poll" to the linuxrc command line (where you choose the boot options) - Disable legacy USB support

Which of these two will help, depends on the exact problem and the BIOS bug.

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Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

I tried those before writing the note, no difference.

Hi Dave, good news. I believe the drivers installatio should got pretty straight too. Please, follow the links for the nVidia Linux drivers; http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html Whislt they do not provide compiled binaries for that Kernel, the installation script compiled and installed the driver for my gForce4 with problems. After installing that just remember to edit the X11 configuration file to enable the nv (if I am not wrong) engine instead of standard VESA. Also you can compile and install the drivers for the onboard NIC on the link above. Hope everything goes fine. (Embedded image moved to file: pic02306.gif) (Embedded image moved to file: O: +55 11 F: +55 11 EY/Comm: pic31673.gif)Rodrigo De 3523-5494 3078-1105 4776668 Vincenzo Monteiro "Dave Reid" anet.net> cc: Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] Status of Serial ATA support 13/01/2004 05:48 Please respond to davereid Well I finally got the SUSE 9.0 for AMD64 to work. Here's the things that were required: Installed ATA133 Hard Drive to due no SATA Support Disabled Legacy USB Support in Bios (I don't think this made any difference) Removed PC from KVM and connected keyboard direct (not USB). Upgraded Motherboard BIOS to ver. F4 from F2 (GIGAByte Model = KVT800PRO) which was the final key item I think. Anyways I was able to Install SUSE 9.0 for AMD 64 after doing the above (the boot parameter poll=idle was not required). After the SUSE 9.0 was installed I removed the direct keyboard connection and reconnected the PC back to the KVM which uses USB for mouse and keyboard, rebooted and SUSE picked up on the USB keyboard right away. Now that it's in, it looks impressive, just two more things I need to do, one install the Nvidia 3d Driver (looks rather difficult with SUSE 9.0 for AMD 64) and I am greatly looking forward to the release of Kernel and boot iso with VIA SATA support so I can take this old hard drive back out. -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help@suse.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. Ernst & Young is neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt. Note: If you have received a delivery failure report, it may be due to the change in the Ernst & Young e-mail domains from "eyi.com", "ey.bm", or "ey.bs" to "ey.com". Could you please make the necessary amendment, if required, and resend the message.