Hello, I am interested in trying out suse 9.0 (AMD64), and have been waiting for it to appear on the ftp.suse.com FTP site. The package seems to be available for retail now, but it is still not on the FTP site. Is it going to be made available? Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired? Please advise. Thanks.
ab@u1.com writes:
Hello,
I am interested in trying out suse 9.0 (AMD64), and have been waiting for it to appear on the ftp.suse.com FTP site.
The package seems to be available for retail now, but it is still not on the FTP site. Is it going to be made available?
We have done this so far for x86 but have not decided for AMD64 yet.
Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired?
No, not at all. The 9.0 DVD comes with sources and therefore everybody that gets the DVD, also gets the sources and there's no need to make them available to anybody else: The GPL states: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, b) ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, with putting the sources on the same medium as the binaries, we fullfill the requirements. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
The package seems to be available for retail now, but it is still not on the FTP site. Is it going to be made available?
We have done this so far for x86 but have not decided for AMD64 yet.
Please do consider it, I think it would make things more convenient for your customers. I, for one, like to "try before I buy" :-) However, I don't see the x86 version of suse 9 at the FTP site either. Are you sure it is there?
Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired?
No, not at all. The 9.0 DVD comes with sources and therefore everybody ...
So, with putting the sources on the same medium as the binaries, we fullfill the requirements.
So then I assume you would have no objection to someone making a copy of their DVD available for download, right? Any volunteers? :-)
ab@u1.com writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
The package seems to be available for retail now, but it is still not on the FTP site. Is it going to be made available?
We have done this so far for x86 but have not decided for AMD64 yet.
Please do consider it, I think it would make things more convenient for your customers.
We do consider it...
I, for one, like to "try before I buy" :-)
I was under the impression of "try instead of buy" ;-).
However, I don't see the x86 version of suse 9 at the FTP site either. Are you sure it is there?
It's not there yet - we put it out some weeks after the box is in the shops...
Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired?
No, not at all. The 9.0 DVD comes with sources and therefore everybody ...
So, with putting the sources on the same medium as the binaries, we fullfill the requirements.
So then I assume you would have no objection to someone making a copy of their DVD available for download, right?
I would object to the binaries - but I'm not sure what the legal side is on this one. The DVD is double sided (one side binaries, one side sources), there shouldn't be any problems for making available just the sources... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, I am interested in a suse 9.0 AMD64 download too. At the moment I am testing with the 8.2 Beta9, which is working with my Athlon64 fine. I found the Beta9 download on some mirrors of SUSE, but not on the Suse-FTP-Server.
I would object to the binaries - but I'm not sure what the legal side is on this one. The sources are nessecary too and i think the legal side says, that you must offer the sources together with the binaries.
The DVD is double sided (one side binaries, one side sources), there shouldn't be any problems for making available just the sources... Do you have problems to offer the binaries together with the sources ?
If you offer the Software as ISO-CD-Images, everyone can decide itself, which images to load. The Beta9-Download is offered with 9 CD-ISO-Images, i have loaded the first 4 Images with Binaries and could test. Some day later i loaded the rest to get the complete Version with sources. This was a good way. Frank-Michael Froede ab@u1.com writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
The package seems to be available for retail now, but it is still not on the FTP site. Is it going to be made available?
We have done this so far for x86 but have not decided for AMD64 yet.
Please do consider it, I think it would make things more convenient for your customers.
We do consider it...
I, for one, like to "try before I buy" :-)
I was under the impression of "try instead of buy" ;-).
However, I don't see the x86 version of suse 9 at the FTP site either. Are you sure it is there?
It's not there yet - we put it out some weeks after the box is in the shops...
Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired?
No, not at all. The 9.0 DVD comes with sources and therefore everybody ...
So, with putting the sources on the same medium as the binaries, we fullfill the requirements.
So then I assume you would have no objection to someone making a copy of their DVD available for download, right?
I would object to the binaries - but I'm not sure what the legal side is on this one. The DVD is double sided (one side binaries, one side sources), there shouldn't be any problems for making available just the sources... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
"Frank-Michael Froede"
Hi,
I am interested in a suse 9.0 AMD64 download too. At the moment I am testing with the 8.2 Beta9, which is working with my Athlon64 fine. I found the Beta9 download on some mirrors of SUSE, but not on the Suse-FTP-Server.
I would object to the binaries - but I'm not sure what the legal side is on this one. The sources are nessecary too and i think the legal side says, that you must offer the sources together with the binaries.
Read the GPL and what I said. I have no problems with distributing the sources. And yes, when we offer the binaries, we have to make sources available one way or the other...
The DVD is double sided (one side binaries, one side sources), there shouldn't be any problems for making available just the sources... Do you have problems to offer the binaries together with the sources ?
If you offer the Software as ISO-CD-Images, everyone can decide itself, which images to load. The Beta9-Download is offered with 9 CD-ISO-Images, i have loaded the first 4 Images with Binaries and could test. Some day later i loaded the rest to get the complete Version with sources. This was a good way.
Have a look at our normal ftp versions of x86, they are distributed as rpms and not as ISOs. Just for the 8.2beta9 we offered ISOs. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Am Donnerstag, 13. November 2003 07:16 schrieb ab@u1.com:
Doesn't the linux license require the product to be made available for free if desired?
If you take a look on the second site of the 9.0 DVD you see the sources. Open source don't mean that's all is present for you, it's mean you can have the sources! SuSE is a company and the working people there wanted money if you also get for your work. Why schould they make her product for free? You paid more hundret $ for the 64bit CPU's and cry for a few $ for many 1000 apps and a one + a multi cpu kernel? Shamed you all! Look at Steve Ballmer company. A more million $ company and they not be able yet making a 64bit system ready and some crazy people can only "I want present" thinking. Linux is living, because the people give and get. If you not working on a project than it's not bad to give a few money for a Distry you prefer and you get the fun.... out of Redmond. Free your mind! Ciao Marco, registered GNU/Linux-User#313353
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