dual boot 10.1 and XP
Hi, I installed XP (work related reasons only) on my 40 GB laptop. No problem. I then booted with SuSe 10.1 (64 bit) SuSe recommended re-sizing Windows and certain partitions. I accepted all recommendations. SuSE did well, all hardware came up properly. SuSe installed GRUB. Re-boot gives option of XP or SuSE. SuSe starts up as expected. But when I select XP the Windows splash screen appears and things hold up for about 10 seconds and then the BIOS starts its re-boot cycle and I get GRUB again. Because the Windows splash screen appears it is as though GRUB is re-directing correctly to Windows, and because it fails I suspect that SuSe has, somehow, upset Windows (maybe during the re-partitioning). Any ideas? Maybe, before I install SuSe, I need to either (a) switch off XP's 'recovery' function (I tried that, but it fell over) or (b) prevent the use of a swap file (I can't find such an option) Any ideas ? Thanks for any suggestions. Colin
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 16:22 schrieb Colin Carter:
Hi, I installed XP (work related reasons only) on my 40 GB laptop. No problem.
I then booted with SuSe 10.1 (64 bit) SuSe recommended re-sizing Windows and certain partitions. I accepted all recommendations. SuSE did well, all hardware came up properly. SuSe installed GRUB.
Re-boot gives option of XP or SuSE. SuSe starts up as expected.
But when I select XP the Windows splash screen appears and things hold up for about 10 seconds and then the BIOS starts its re-boot cycle and I get GRUB again. Because the Windows splash screen appears it is as though GRUB is re-directing correctly to Windows, and because it fails I suspect that SuSe has, somehow, upset Windows (maybe during the re-partitioning).
Any ideas? Maybe, before I install SuSe, I need to either (a) switch off XP's 'recovery' function (I tried that, but it fell over) or (b) prevent the use of a swap file (I can't find such an option)
Any ideas ? Thanks for any suggestions. Colin
Hi, I'm currently working on this bug. Just for my information, which laptop are you using exactly? -- Alex
Alexander Osthof wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 16:22 schrieb Colin Carter:
Hi, I installed XP (work related reasons only) on my 40 GB laptop. No problem.
I then booted with SuSe 10.1 (64 bit) SuSe recommended re-sizing Windows and certain partitions. I accepted all recommendations. SuSE did well, all hardware came up properly. SuSe installed GRUB.
Re-boot gives option of XP or SuSE. SuSe starts up as expected.
But when I select XP the Windows splash screen appears and things hold up for about 10 seconds and then the BIOS starts its re-boot cycle and I get GRUB again. Because the Windows splash screen appears it is as though GRUB is re-directing correctly to Windows, and because it fails I suspect that SuSe has, somehow, upset Windows (maybe during the re-partitioning).
Any ideas? Maybe, before I install SuSe, I need to either (a) switch off XP's 'recovery' function (I tried that, but it fell over) or (b) prevent the use of a swap file (I can't find such an option)
Any ideas ? Thanks for any suggestions. Colin
Hi,
I'm currently working on this bug. Just for my information, which laptop are you using exactly?
Sometimes when Suse resizes the partitions the Windows swap file which is normally at the end of the hard disk gets moved and this can upset Windows. If you alter the settings on the swap file you should be able to get it to restart. Just as Windows starts to boot up, hit the F8 key repeatedly. You should get to the option of running Windows in safe mode. Open the Control panel. Open SYSTEM icon. Open the Advanced tab. Ht the performance settings button. Hit Advnaced tab. Hit the Virtual Memory settings. Here you can temporarily delete the swap file or change its size. Both changes should work interms of resetting the swap location. Good luck Ralph Ellis
On Thursday 15 June 2006 06:13, Ralph Ellis wrote:
Alexander Osthof wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 16:22 schrieb Colin Carter:
Hi, I installed XP (work related reasons only) on my 40 GB laptop. No problem. I then booted with SuSe 10.1 (64 bit) (cut) SuSe installed GRUB.
But when I select XP the Windows splash screen appears and things hold up for about 10 seconds and then the BIOS starts its re-boot cycle and I get GRUB again. cut Colin
Hi,
I'm currently working on this bug. Just for my information, which laptop are you using exactly?
Sometimes when Suse resizes the partitions the Windows swap file which is normally at the end of the hard disk gets moved and this can upset Windows. If you alter the settings on the swap file you should be able to get it to restart. Just as Windows starts to boot up, hit the F8 key repeatedly. You should get to the option of running Windows in safe mode. Open the Control panel. Open SYSTEM icon. Open the Advanced tab. Ht the performance settings button. Hit Advnaced tab. Hit the Virtual Memory settings. Here you can temporarily delete the swap file or change its size. Both changes should work interms of resetting the swap location. Good luck Ralph Ellis
Thanks Ralph. Thanks for how-to on getting to the swap file; too long since I've done it. I was aware of the problems associated with it, but thought that I had it licked when I checked that de-frag had put ALL of my Windows files together at the start of the drive (or was it the 'end'?) Sean Lynch (direct reply) suggested that I use FIXMBR under Windows but, as he said, that only gets me into Windows & stuffs SuSe. You asked about my laptop: Assembled by TRG in Sydney, 1.6 MHz 64 bit AMD, strange video which uses up part of my RAM, strange sound, Win modem. Interestingly Windows requires a special set of drivers to manage it but SuSe 10.1 seems to be quite happy with it all. (Although 10.0 was not - 10.0 got, from the BIOS/graphics card, that the screen dimensions were 1280 x 0 and proceded to use these values, leading to disaster; but 10.1 prompts me to manually provide the values - a much better programmer.) I must get off to work now (Sydney) but will try your ideas at work. Thanks for 'being there', I will feed back any success/failure. Colin PS: Writing this from my main PC, an AMD 64 with SuSe 10.0
Hi (Excuse the top posting) After approximately 35 hours, over a week, of trial and error: I found that the way to do it (on my laptop) was to 1 - boot via the XP CD 2 - format the hard disc 3 - partition the disc 4 - install XP on C: and leave D: alone 5 - boot with the 10.1 CD 6 - install (I used no ACPI) NB: SuSe offers to wipe XP off (I agree, but ...) Instead, change the partitions manually The trick appears to be to let XP do the partitioning because when SuSe 10.1 reduces the size of the XP partition it appears to upset XP. Anyway, that's my idea, but I am not confident enough to re-format and re-test my idea. Regards, Colin On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:58, Colin Carter wrote:
On Thursday 15 June 2006 06:13, Ralph Ellis wrote:
Alexander Osthof wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 16:22 schrieb Colin Carter:
Hi, I installed XP (work related reasons only) on my 40 GB laptop. No problem. I then booted with SuSe 10.1 (64 bit)
(cut)
SuSe installed GRUB.
But when I select XP the Windows splash screen appears and things hold up for about 10 seconds and then the BIOS starts its re-boot cycle and I get GRUB again.
cut
Colin
Hi,
I'm currently working on this bug. Just for my information, which laptop are you using exactly?
Sometimes when Suse resizes the partitions the Windows swap file which is normally at the end of the hard disk gets moved and this can upset Windows. If you alter the settings on the swap file you should be able to get it to restart. Just as Windows starts to boot up, hit the F8 key repeatedly. You should get to the option of running Windows in safe mode. Open the Control panel. Open SYSTEM icon. Open the Advanced tab. Ht the performance settings button. Hit Advnaced tab. Hit the Virtual Memory settings. Here you can temporarily delete the swap file or change its size. Both changes should work interms of resetting the swap location. Good luck Ralph Ellis
Thanks Ralph. Thanks for how-to on getting to the swap file; too long since I've done it. I was aware of the problems associated with it, but thought that I had it licked when I checked that de-frag had put ALL of my Windows files together at the start of the drive (or was it the 'end'?) Sean Lynch (direct reply) suggested that I use FIXMBR under Windows but, as he said, that only gets me into Windows & stuffs SuSe.
You asked about my laptop: Assembled by TRG in Sydney, 1.6 MHz 64 bit AMD, strange video which uses up part of my RAM, strange sound, Win modem. Interestingly Windows requires a special set of drivers to manage it but SuSe 10.1 seems to be quite happy with it all. (Although 10.0 was not - 10.0 got, from the BIOS/graphics card, that the screen dimensions were 1280 x 0 and proceded to use these values, leading to disaster; but 10.1 prompts me to manually provide the values - a much better programmer.)
I must get off to work now (Sydney) but will try your ideas at work. Thanks for 'being there', I will feed back any success/failure. Colin PS: Writing this from my main PC, an AMD 64 with SuSe 10.0
Colin Carter wrote:
After approximately 35 hours, over a week, of trial and error:
I found that the way to do it (on my laptop) was to 1 - boot via the XP CD 2 - format the hard disc 3 - partition the disc
You will need to reverse 2 and 3. You have to partition BEFORE you can format.
4 - install XP on C: and leave D: alone 5 - boot with the 10.1 CD 6 - install (I used no ACPI) NB: SuSe offers to wipe XP off (I agree, but ...) Instead, change the partitions manually The trick appears to be to let XP do the partitioning because when SuSe 10.1 reduces the size of the XP partition it appears to upset XP.
Anyway, that's my idea, but I am not confident enough to re-format and re-test my idea.
That certainly should work if you have the time. It will take hours for XP to format the drive, install, and get updated to the latest fix level. And I hope you are installing SuSE from a DVD. ;-) -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871
On Friday 16 June 2006 21:21, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Colin Carter wrote:
After approximately 35 hours, over a week, of trial and error:
I found that the way to do it (on my laptop) was to 1 - boot via the XP CD 2 - format the hard disc 3 - partition the disc
You will need to reverse 2 and 3. You have to partition BEFORE you can format.
4 - install XP on C: and leave D: alone 5 - boot with the 10.1 CD 6 - install (I used no ACPI) NB: SuSe offers to wipe XP off (I agree, but ...) Instead, change the partitions manually The trick appears to be to let XP do the partitioning because when SuSe 10.1 reduces the size of the XP partition it appears to upset XP.
Anyway, that's my idea, but I am not confident enough to re-format and re-test my idea.
That certainly should work if you have the time. It will take hours for XP to format the drive, install, and get updated to the latest fix level. And I hope you are installing SuSE from a DVD. ;-)
-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871
Hi Joe, When I partitioned and then formatted the parts it failed me. So I formatted the whole drive as a single partition, then partitioned, then formatted again. I know, sounds weird! And yes, it took hours - but I was getting desperate. I really thought that it should have been easy: My first attempt was: I already had XP up as one single drive/partition, so I thought Just let SuSe shrink the Windows partition and install. I suspect that the SuSe shrink Windows/partition/install has a problem - possibly just in the default settings. I suspect this because, as mentioned above, I had to over-ride the choices proposed by 10.1 Joe, or anybody else, pass comment? Regards, Colin
Colin Carter wrote:
When I partitioned and then formatted the parts it failed me.
What failed? The install? Formatting? That doesn't sound right, but who knows what happened in your situation.
So I formatted the whole drive as a single partition, then partitioned, then formatted again.
If you created just one partition that left space for SuSE, say 50%, and just formatted that one with XP and installed it there, I would have thought it would have worked fine. If resizing the NTFS partition failed for whatever reason (and IIRC you did say you defragged the drive before you resized), then I would have thought that would have been all that would have been needed, but if there was a bug somehow where there was a difference between what the partition table said the partition boundaries were, and what the formatted sectors said, that might maybe produce some confusion. It has been my experience that MS disk tools are very limited, especially when it comes to anybody else's partitions/file systems, So am not allowing for the need to do as you said you needed to. In general, though, I would, if resizing failed and messed up the XP install, I would partition first what ever size I needed for XP, format and install there, then allow SuSE to handle the rest of the drive's space for its partitioning/formatting, installation. That has never failed me (though I have only used the resizer in 9.3, which worked great for me in the 2 times I needed it). At least you beat the odds and obstacles. Aren't you glad computer usage keeps getting easier and easier! :-) -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871
On Saturday 17 June 2006 11:13, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Colin Carter wrote:
When I partitioned and then formatted the parts it failed me.
What failed? The install? Formatting? That doesn't sound right, but who knows what happened in your situation.
So I formatted the whole drive as a single partition, then partitioned, then formatted again.
If you created just one partition that left space for SuSE, say 50%, and just formatted that one with XP and installed it there, I would have thought it would have worked fine. If resizing the NTFS partition failed for whatever reason (and IIRC you did say you defragged the drive before you resized), then I would have thought that would have been all that would have been needed, but if there was a bug somehow where there was a difference between what the partition table said the partition boundaries were, and what the formatted sectors said, that might maybe produce some confusion. It has been my experience that MS disk tools are very limited, especially when it comes to anybody else's partitions/file systems, So am not allowing for the need to do as you said you needed to. In general, though, I would, if resizing failed and messed up the XP install, I would partition first what ever size I needed for XP, format and install there, then allow SuSE to handle the rest of the drive's space for its partitioning/formatting, installation. That has never failed me (though I have only used the resizer in 9.3, which worked great for me in the 2 times I needed it). At least you beat the odds and obstacles. Aren't you glad computer usage keeps getting easier and easier! :-)
-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871
Thanks Joe. I agree with what you say above. And yes, the SuSe resizing appears to have been the problem, although, like you, I had no problem with 9.1 And so I did what you said above: "In general ..." I just hope I can remember it when XP causes the next crash. Yes Joe, I am glad that computing is getting easier: I tried Linux ten years ago and gave up, but now it runs rings around Windoze. Regards, Colin
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