2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

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Chad Whiting

22 Apr 2004 22 Apr '04

17:50

Hello everyone! Can anyone tell me what kind of luck they have had running the 2.6 kernel in SuSE 9.0 amd_64? I would like to know before I install it. -- Chad Whiting I.T. Administrator Katecho, Inc cwhiting@katecho.net

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Jerome R. Westrick

22 Apr 22 Apr

21:08

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

Hello chad... SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage? Jerry On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 19:43, Chad Whiting wrote:

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Hello everyone!

Can anyone tell me what kind of luck they have had running the 2.6 kernel in SuSE 9.0 amd_64? I would like to know before I install it.

-- Chad Whiting I.T. Administrator Katecho, Inc cwhiting@katecho.net

Andreas Bittner

21:16

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away.... http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/ http://ftp.leo.org/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.leo.org/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.leo.org/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/

Sergei Klink

23 Apr 23 Apr

02:20

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

On April 22, 2004 03:14 pm, Andreas Bittner wrote:

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away....

If you do so, can you please tell us about the results, too... I'm planning to try that this weekend, can't ruin this machine right now. Back to the topic, myself I had no significant problems using 2.6 kernel from the rpm, other than some usb problems with earlier versions and having to set up udev(I'm using DRI drivers for my Radeon 9000(and they do work noticeably smoother, especially when running glxgears, though not a lot faster), so can't comment on nvidia's ones yet). Hotplug was already mentioned, I think I used the same package.

Andreas Jaeger

07:37

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

"Andreas Bittner" writes:

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away....

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/

Those are sources.

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http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/

And these are YOU updates. The ftp installation (binary) will come later - but you can order 9.1 now, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Sergei Klink

24 Apr 24 Apr

00:35

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

On April 23, 2004 01:37 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Andreas Bittner" writes:

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away....

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/

Those are sources.

ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-x86_64 are not just sources :) though there's no base packages. So I guess it's just the extra updates?

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http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/

And these are YOU updates.

The ftp installation (binary) will come later - but you can order 9.1 now,

Hm. Last time I was already looking for a nearest place to buy the personal edition(for i386), and the ftp version was released 2 days after I started :) By the way, I can't figure out whether there are still packages for 32bit plugins support in konqueror for KDE3.2. Is it packaged somewhat similar to the way it is in 9.0(various SuSE artwork+slight modifications, apps like susewatcher) or separate packages for KDE and SuSE-related stuff(like kamix, susewatcher, suseplugger, some of them perhaps not really needed anymore)? It's really not that great not to be able to use fresh rpms from kde.org with dependencies on kdebase3-suse and the like in 9.0...

Andreas Jaeger

06:06

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

Sergei Klink writes:

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On April 23, 2004 01:37 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Andreas Bittner" writes:

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away....

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/

Those are sources.

ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-x86_64 are not just sources :) though there's no base packages. So I guess it's just the extra updates?

Those are part of apt4rpm.

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http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/

And these are YOU updates.

The ftp installation (binary) will come later - but you can order 9.1 now,

Hm. Last time I was already looking for a nearest place to buy the personal edition(for i386), and the ftp version was released 2 days after I started :) By the way, I can't figure out whether there are still packages for 32bit plugins support in konqueror for KDE3.2. Is it packaged somewhat similar to the way it is in 9.0(various SuSE artwork+slight modifications, apps like susewatcher) or separate packages for KDE and SuSE-related stuff(like kamix, susewatcher, suseplugger, some of them perhaps not really needed anymore)? It's really not that great not to be able to use fresh rpms from kde.org with dependencies on kdebase3-suse and the like in 9.0...

We've done similar stuff in 9.1 like in 9.0. If you have real problems, please describe them privately and I'll forward them. But we do supply rpms to kde.org that work, so I don't know what your problem is, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Sergei Klink

18:46

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

On April 24, 2004 12:06 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Sergei Klink writes:

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On April 23, 2004 01:37 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Andreas Bittner" writes:

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SuSE 9.1 will be out (with 2.6 standard, and AMD64 supported) within a week.... Are you sure you want to install the 9.0 Test version at this late stage?

why not trying 9.1 right away....

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/x86_64/9.1/suse/src/

Those are sources.

ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-x 86_64 are not just sources :) though there's no base packages. So I guess it's just the extra updates?

Those are part of apt4rpm.

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...
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/

And these are YOU updates.

The ftp installation (binary) will come later - but you can order 9.1 now,

Hm. Last time I was already looking for a nearest place to buy the personal edition(for i386), and the ftp version was released 2 days after I started :) By the way, I can't figure out whether there are still packages for 32bit plugins support in konqueror for KDE3.2. Is it packaged somewhat similar to the way it is in 9.0(various SuSE artwork+slight modifications, apps like susewatcher) or separate packages for KDE and SuSE-related stuff(like kamix, susewatcher, suseplugger, some of them perhaps not really needed anymore)? It's really not that great not to be able to use fresh rpms from kde.org with dependencies on kdebase3-suse and the like in 9.0...

We've done similar stuff in 9.1 like in 9.0.

If you have real problems, please describe them privately and I'll forward them.

But we do supply rpms to kde.org that work, so I don't know what your problem is,

But those are different, right? And they don't include any 32bit components... No, they work fine(and seem to get fixed quite quickly when not), the problem is when I want to upgrade them with the rpms from kde.org instead of waiting for updates at suse.com :), or when I want to have 32bit plugin support. I was just thinking that it would be excellent to have the SuSE-related stuff in separate packages, without any cross-dependencies with the rest of KDE, but if not, it's still a pretty minor issue, and only comes up once :)

Paul C. Leopardi

23 Apr 23 Apr

00:06

New subject: [suse-amd64] 2.6 test kernel on SuSE 9.0

Hi Chad, answer below, best regards On Friday 23 April 2004 03:43, Chad Whiting wrote:

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Hello everyone!

Can anyone tell me what kind of luck they have had running the 2.6 kernel in SuSE 9.0 amd_64? I would like to know before I install it.

I am running the 2.6.5-8.5 kernel on SuSE 9.0. I initially had problems with 2.6 kernels because I had not installed and had not run /sbin/generate-modprobe.conf It looks like I now have this sorted out. leopardi@linfinit:~> rpm -q kernel-default kernel-default-2.6.5-8.5 leopardi@linfinit:~> rpm -q module-init-tools module-init-tools-3.0_pre9-2 I have also been using the NVIDIA GeForce drivers for the 2.6 kernel, from www.minion.de Outstanding problems and niggles: 1) Grabdisplay does not work in bttv, so zapping does not work and kdetv segfaults. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80141 2) Init scripts and hotplug for 9.0 were not written with 2.6 kernel in mind. I believe they have been updated for 9.1. See suse.de/people/zoz/sysconfig and suse.de/people/zoz/hotplug I tried an earlier updated version of hotplug (from the kraxel directory), had trouble booting, and fell back to: leopardi@linfinit:~> rpm -q hotplug hotplug-2002_08_26-90 I have not tried the new sysconfig, as I suspect this may only work properly for 9.1. I am still at: leopardi@linfinit:~> rpm -q sysconfig sysconfig-0.23.30-39 3) My use of 2.6 kernel has apparently not made my system completely stable. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=304109#post304109 4) I have two ethernet ports. At one point when I switched from 2.4 to 2.6, the ethernet ports swapped (eth0 became eth1 and vice versa). This does not happen now. 5) I had to be careful to keep a copy of the /boot directory and the 2.4 kernel RPMs, and to update menu.lst so that I could switch between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. leopardi@linfinit:~/Documents/test> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Tue Mar 17 00:44:00 2004 color white/blue black/light-gray default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/message ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Linux kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 showopts apm=off vga=0x31a desktop hdc=ide-scsi hdclun=0 initrd (hd0,1)/initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Linux 2.4 kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.4 root=/dev/hda5 apm=off acpi=off noapic pci=noacpi pci=biosirq vga=0x31a desktop hdc=ide-scsi hdclun=0 showopts initrd (hd0,1)/initrd-2.4 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows### title Windows root (hd1,0) chainloader +1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Floppy root (fd0) chainloader +1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noapic agp=off vga=normal iommu=noforce maxcpus=0 hdc=ide-scsi hdclun=0 3 initrd (hd0,1)/initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe 2.4 kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.4 root=/dev/hda5 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noapic agp=off vga=normal iommu=noforce maxcpus=0 hdc=ide-scsi hdclun=0 3 initrd (hd0,1)/initrd-2.4 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Memtest kernel (hd0,1)/memtest.bin 6) When I switch between 2.4 and 2.6, I need to remember to use the "nv" driver in X11 rather than the "nvidia" driver. The nvidia installer seems to be using the current running kernel to figure out what to do, and it de-installs its previous installation. So I haven't been able to switch between 2.4 and 2.6 with the appropriate nvidia drivers installed in both. 7) Ideally, I would be beta testing 9.1 rather than just downloading stuff from suse.de/people. With my current combination of hardware I seem to be seeing problems that many others are not seeing. If I could look at these problems in a more disciplined manner and report on them through formal channels, I might be closer to helping diagnose and solve them.

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