RE: [suse-amd64] AMD Athlon 64 Linux hardware sanity check (not w ith SATA!)
This past 2 weeks I went out and bought a Gigabyte K8N-Pro with Athlon64 3200+ Processor (in fact, I got enough parts for 2 identical machines). In that package, I also picked up a set of 4 120Gb SATA drives so that I could try a RAID implementation. I wish I had done my homework first :-( Like Dave Reid, I too hit a really hard brick wall on that SuSE didn't recognize any of the RAID drives. His case was the GigaRAID, mine was the SATA - same results with both. I'll just go and purchase the fastest Ultra ATA133 drives I can get (paying the high $ for SCSI isn't an option), and just make do without RAID and just keep decent backups. There have been some replies recently that after various fiddling, digging, tweaking and the like that an acceptable configuration was found. The problem is if I have to do a lot of digging, tweaking and hit-and-miss trial and error to get things to work, having RAID would be the LEAST of my worries in any kind of a production environment. I would be WAY too scared to depend on the box in any way shape or form until RAID had about 6 months to a year to stabilize. Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn D'Alimonte [mailto:shawnd@mycybernet.net] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:50 PM To: suse-amd64@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-amd64] AMD Athlon 64 Linux hardware sanity check
Paul C. Leopardi wrote:
Motherboard 113728 Gigabyte GA-K8VNXP + Athlon 64 3200+s + CPU FAN $865.00
I am using this motherboard with 9.0 download edition (Still trying it out to see if it is worth buying the retail box).
It works well except for the RAID controller (GigaRAID). Also I have never tried the SATA controller as I have no drives.
The onboard VIA audio works, but I had trouble with skipping and static so I just put my SB Live! back in.
-- Shawn D'Alimonte shawnd@mycybernet.net
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SATA raid does work under suse you just need compatible hardware. I have a 4 channel 3ware sata raid controller card (8506-4LP) and it works great under suse 9.0 pro x86_64. This controller card works better (for me anyway) than on-board sata because on-board sata is usually run through the standard 133 mhz pci bus. 4 sata drives in raid 0 would flood this bus most certainly. 2 drives would actually. The 3ware card is pci-x and has about 4-5 times the bandwidth. Mark Hulslander, Ryan wrote:
This past 2 weeks I went out and bought a Gigabyte K8N-Pro with Athlon64 3200+ Processor (in fact, I got enough parts for 2 identical machines). In that package, I also picked up a set of 4 120Gb SATA drives so that I could try a RAID implementation. I wish I had done my homework first :-(
Like Dave Reid, I too hit a really hard brick wall on that SuSE didn't recognize any of the RAID drives. His case was the GigaRAID, mine was the SATA - same results with both. I'll just go and purchase the fastest Ultra ATA133 drives I can get (paying the high $ for SCSI isn't an option), and just make do without RAID and just keep decent backups.
There have been some replies recently that after various fiddling, digging, tweaking and the like that an acceptable configuration was found. The problem is if I have to do a lot of digging, tweaking and hit-and-miss trial and error to get things to work, having RAID would be the LEAST of my worries in any kind of a production environment. I would be WAY too scared to depend on the box in any way shape or form until RAID had about 6 months to a year to stabilize.
Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn D'Alimonte [mailto:shawnd@mycybernet.net] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:50 PM To: suse-amd64@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-amd64] AMD Athlon 64 Linux hardware sanity check
Paul C. Leopardi wrote:
Motherboard 113728 Gigabyte GA-K8VNXP + Athlon 64 3200+s + CPU FAN $865.00
I am using this motherboard with 9.0 download edition (Still trying it out to see if it is worth buying the retail box).
It works well except for the RAID controller (GigaRAID). Also I have never tried the SATA controller as I have no drives.
The onboard VIA audio works, but I had trouble with skipping and static so I just put my SB Live! back in.
-- Shawn D'Alimonte shawnd@mycybernet.net
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:08:13 -0500 Mark Horton wrote:
SATA raid does work under suse you just need compatible hardware. I have a 4 channel 3ware sata raid controller card (8506-4LP) and it works great under suse 9.0 pro x86_64.
This controller card works better (for me anyway) than on-board sata because on-board sata is usually run through the standard 133 mhz pci bus. 4 sata drives in raid 0 would flood this bus most certainly. 2 drives would actually. The 3ware card is pci-x and has about 4-5 times the bandwidth.
Please note that 3ware only works out of the box with < ~3.5GB of memory (= no IOMMU needed because no memory is above the 4GB boundary) To avoid corruption with more you need an patched kernel with a workaround that is not officially released yet. Inofficial version in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/ak/test12/ -Andi
Andi I recently upgraded to 4GB of ram and I don't seem to have the corruption problems. I'm running hardware raid 0 accross 2 sata drives. I copied practicaly the entire root filesystem onto the sata array as a test. This was about 34G of stuff. My root filesystem is a normal IDE drive. I ran rpm -V -a before and after the test. I have an arima hdama motherboard and I have IOMMU disabled in the bios. Any idea if this makes a difference? Mark Andi Kleen wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:08:13 -0500 Mark Horton wrote:
SATA raid does work under suse you just need compatible hardware. I have a 4 channel 3ware sata raid controller card (8506-4LP) and it works great under suse 9.0 pro x86_64.
This controller card works better (for me anyway) than on-board sata because on-board sata is usually run through the standard 133 mhz pci bus. 4 sata drives in raid 0 would flood this bus most certainly. 2 drives would actually. The 3ware card is pci-x and has about 4-5 times the bandwidth.
Please note that 3ware only works out of the box with < ~3.5GB of memory (= no IOMMU needed because no memory is above the 4GB boundary) To avoid corruption with more you need an patched kernel with a workaround that is not officially released yet. Inofficial version in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/ak/test12/
-Andi
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:49:59 -0500 Mark Horton wrote:
Andi I recently upgraded to 4GB of ram and I don't seem to have the corruption problems. I'm running hardware raid 0 accross 2 sata drives. I copied practicaly the entire root filesystem onto the sata array as a test. This was about 34G of stuff. My root filesystem is a normal IDE drive. I ran rpm -V -a before and after the test.
What kernel do you run? The old 2.4.19 kernel didn't have this problem. It was only a side effect of some other changes in the 2.4.21 kernel.
I have an arima hdama motherboard and I have IOMMU disabled in the bios. Any idea if this makes a difference?
It doesn't make a difference. Linux can use the IOMMU even when it is disabled in the BIOS. -Andi
I recently upgraded to 4GB of ram and I don't seem to have the corruption problems. I'm running hardware raid 0 accross 2 sata drives. I copied practicaly the entire root filesystem onto the sata array as a test. This was about 34G of stuff. My root filesystem is a normal IDE drive. I ran rpm -V -a before and after the test.
What kernel do you run? The old 2.4.19 kernel didn't have this problem. It was only a side effect of some other changes in the 2.4.21 kernel.
I'm running: uname -a Linux suse 2.4.21-171-smp #1 SMP Wed Dec 17 17:52:34 UTC 2003 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I just reran the test by copying the majority of my root filesystem to the sata array and still no changes reported with rpm -V -a. I also read through the previous threads on this subject and someone had the suspicion that it could also be related to a tyan issue (bios?). Since I dont have tyan I wonder if this is correct. I guess I should be glad its not effecting my system in any case. Mark
I have an arima hdama motherboard and I have IOMMU disabled in the bios. Any idea if this makes a difference?
It doesn't make a difference. Linux can use the IOMMU even when it is disabled in the BIOS.
-Andi
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Andi Kleen
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Hulslander, Ryan
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Mark Horton