Franz Mach wrote:
I'm going to make my statement here as a user of the OpenSoundSystem to this *bad* discussion at the kernel mailing list.
First i have to say that i got a lot of help from the OSS president personally to get my sound working properly, all that without buying a License :-) - while i was trying to get ALSA running before i received no answers or "buy a other soundcard" for my questions :-(
Related to this kernel-discussion: i'm very unhappy about the way this discussion had gone and it would have been better if the OSS president had explained his problems in a more polite and neutral way... on the other site i understand really why he has gone so angry: they just solved all the issues (problems that occured only with SuSE and none of the other great distributions) with SuSE 9.1 and released a new OSS version this week that works good with the SuSE 2.6.4-xx-x86_64 kernels. one day later SuSE provided the 2.6.5-7.x kernel via YaST Online Update and all is broken again :-( i could feel with the OSS team that this is a bit too much at the moment... i hope that SuSE can take a bit care off such kernel changes, as they're taking a lot off care that they don't break nVidias drivers ;-) the worst thing is that the OSS president said he don't have the possibility to discuss his problems directly with SuSE - i hope that SuSE can start a direct dialogue for that
i'm not a developer so i couldn't say if this mass of kernel changes is necessary but it causes a lot of problems for the users like me - not only with OSS - i know a lot of guys that had to change to other distributions because they didn't get special drivers (for internet- connections for example) running with this SuSE kernels. i think that it's very important to find a solution for that...
i know that SuSE makes a lot for improving the Linux-kernels and this may cause changes but please don't forget the compatibility with standard kernels and other distributions...
best regards Franz
PS: i couldn't and won't believe that SuSE makes anything like a 'attack' against OSS as the OSS president seems to say, i hope that this 'discussion' could get back in a normal non-emotional track soon...
I was told that a SuSE kernel bug was found, but I haven't checked the kernel mailing list so far. Andrew Morton's was the only cool head around last night. I think the OSS President just flipped that after 7 years, he still had to do mods only for SuSE kernels to get his product to work. May be he should get to know SuSE people, as a matter of fact, it would be nice if the distros would cooperate more and possibly for us mere mortals, issue changelogs against vanilla kernels; no need for them to provide support for anything we do based on that information. I've never needed help with OSS even though I bought the license. There was a period when alsa and kernel.org 2.4 kernels didn't work right, last time I looked, alsa was still not in 2.4. With the inclusion of alsa in 2.6, I abandoned OSS, but I guess some cards are still not working with alsa. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====