On Tuesday 26 Jul 2011 19:26:39 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 26.07.2011 18:26, schrieb Stuart Tanner:
How do we as ambassadors and as members go about
doing this? Overcoming
all these myths that Linux is hard or Microsoft Destroyed it?
That´s a /real/ issue. I tried to convince some friends about Linux. The
only problem, is that for them, Linux is just a operating system for
nerds and geeks. And that´s just a very friendly answer. Do you know
Heise.de? It´s a German computer news network and I thinks it´s one of
the trolls´ capitol.
I do not know this particaluar site, I do not tend to follow german troll
Here Linux is very popular but its generally Ubuntu two weekends a month I
spend time at a computer market and most people say "I use windows, I am happy
with Windows and I don't want to change".
Some people have never heard about it, find it very interesting, take a
leaflet and wander off.
Some people use Ubuntu and are happy to see somebody promoting Linux.
That people call you "too poor to buy a *real*
operating system (like
WIndows)" is kinda normal their.
I have never heard anybody use this particular statement to be truthful.
And yes, such comments stuck on people´s mind. We have to promote
openSUSE, right? So, we have also to promote the *whole*
FLOSS-community. Every project benefits from the other projects. I mean,
Linux never ever became so popular without GNU. But at the same time,
GNU never ever became so popular without Linux. The same with KDE,
GNOME, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org
and Apache as well.
People here look at the cost of windows and don't believe how expensive it is,
but they really don't treat linux with the credability it deserves, there is a
lot of people who don't believe you get anything for nothing - if its free or
cheap it must be inferior.
So, speaking for openSUSE means actually speaking for the whole open
I´m part of this community, because it´s the /best/ way to create
software, and it´s the fairest way between consumer and producer.
Isn't the FSF supposed to speak for the FOSS community? But as already said
their ideaologies are just too narrow for real life.
But it´s also a matter of the heart. I love working together with people
over the internet, and I like being part of a movement, that can make
the world a better place. And we´re just doing our hobbies, we´re "just"
I also enjoy being part of the community and promoting the retail version of
the software means that the community gets some kind of payback then its good,
howver how much of the money that open-slx gives to the community I don't
know, they have to produce the packeging and also produce the manuals I don't
know what numbers they produce, but I am only moving about 2-3 boxes per week
here so it shows that its not so popular here.
I wonder in Germany what is the percentage of desktop users running openSUSE /
So, promoting openSUSE && Linux is a thing I
love to do. Nevertheless,
it´s kinda difficult to people who are convinced about Microsoft and
Windows. It´s a real challenge to me to convince these people about
switching to openSUSE.
Its even harder to convince them when certain computer shops install site
licenced copies of Windows + Office etc on Retail Customer Computers.how can
They charge 50 GBP to install Windows + Office and openSUSE Retail costs 60
And yeah, there are a lot of issues that need to be
problems but also problems of acceptance. I know people, who are
thinking Linux is a operating system for geeks and nerds, but nothing
for the mainstream.
This is exactly what I want to change, but it doesn't help when those people
are in the various mailing lists.
And there are some people who still haven´t any clue
about Linux and
even don´t want to because they have zero knowledge about what Linux is,
or what an operating system is. That´s not the problem here. But
imagine, these people still have the insolence of mocking Linux as "an
do-it-yourself-operating system for people without real hobbies or real
Yes and that is because they have no hobbies and likely no life either !!
Okay, it´s their good right but if these people then
still call *you* as
a Linux-supporter a hobby-less mother********* bastard, I´m really
disappointing about that.
Never been called that, most people respect me for starting a business in the
But I think I´m a bit away from topic.
So, the only *real* solution of breaking the myths against Linux is
something like the Truth Happens campaign was.
i´m afraid to say, but the best way is to put Linux into the mainstream
and establish Linux on the desktop.
We need to get governments to act to prevent legalised the Microsoft monopoly
if we can get our beloved European Parliement to outlaw preinstalled OS on
Computers and make people pay for Windows + Office ++ or offer Retail Linux
instead maybe they might just try it because of the damage to their wallet.
MS do it slighly they ship pre-installed starter editions then after 60 days
it hits your wallet.
Yeah, actually, the desktop market is just _one_ part
comprehensive place of selling computers, but it´s (at least for the
next 2 years) still the market, which is most used by users. I don´t
think, that Microsoft will be successfully on the tablet market, and I
don´t believe that they will change something about Linux´s success on
the server market. And on netbooks, I see a really bright future for
Linux too, because it´s free, it´s flexible and it´s running on cheap,
low-level hardware as well as on the world´s strongest super computers.
But the desktop market is MS core business they are using linux for the server
market but sell windows desktops by the dozens to the same customers.
But then Novel (maybe now Atatchemate) is selling Microsoft Desktops along
side Linux Servers.
So, the best way to make Linux accepted by a wide crowd is to put it
into the mainstream. And this means, to cover normal users issues, like
a not running printer, or creating a DSL-configuration.
Seriously people still use DSL Modems? why can't they just get a combined
DSL/Ethernet router they don't cost much and they solve so many problems its
And I can understand that most of us nerds think about
such problems not
very positive. I don´t either. Quite frankly, I hate covering such
issues, because I often have to fix Windows-machines. And that´s very
painful to me, and I´m always lucky being back on my Linux-machine.
I have never even attempted a DSL Modem configuration under Linux either I use
wifi or ethernet. Never ever done dial up under Linux.
But for these people, Windows delivers the best
solution, because they
can get help by almost their whole family.
My grip on this subject is Buffalo Linux NAS Servers that need windows to load
the firmware back on or perform software updates. Can't they just write a QT
or GTK Utility that does the same thing.
And be serious: How many people do you have in your family who have
enough knowledge about Linux to act as a hobby admin? I haven´t any
person in family, and I often try to convince them switching to Linux.
But the problem is, that they´re so used to their Windows, that they
don´t wanna switch to Linux, *even* if Linux would fit their needs better.
The answer to that is 0.. My father, brother both use Linux but come to me for
Admin.. speaking of drivers, my brother dual-booted his pc with Linux and
Windows from a fresh install, but his windows xp has 0 drivers, and his linux
partition has 100% drivers.. What's annoying now :D But the same question goes
for how many people in my family know enough about windows to be hobby admin
and the answer is still 0.
And yes, you need to understand these people. I can´t this every time
easily. I often just end up quitting my talk about Linux and go back to
my room, where my beloved openSUSE-machine is standing. Yeah, it´s very
bad behavior, but sometimes I lost the motivation to do that.
If it works they don't need admin simple - my brothers problem is that he
wants to play windows games - which are available in PlayonLinux but he bought
the "3 in one box set dvd" which PoL doesn't recognise.
My dad is well impressed with Linux and hates the idea of running windows..
Yeah, sometimes I just want to scream because I´m really disappointed
about the ignorance, some people have.
and I thought it was only me :) can't we just scream outside a supermarket
with a megaphone "switch to Linux".
Long post, without long meaning.
The situation is simple:
Beside the need of mainstream-support we need some understanding about
real world people´s problem. I spend very much time inside my room
reading e-mails, answer them, or reading issues of other people, but if
I go out to the big blue room, all the issues don´t count anymore.
There some people who just want to *use* their machines, and not to work
and work forever on them.
yeah these people are the ones who call you every 30 days because they get a
virus because they want to stream a movie and it says "download windows
antivirus 2011 incase you get a virus in the video" or click on the "hey look
at my kids doing something stupid.jpg.exe"
Don´t want to configure them till they die.
So just install it - put up with some moaning for a while and then let them
get used to it :) that's what I do.
This one woman phoned me "My Windows has broken, I need a new hard drive coz i
dropped the laptop can you fix it" I told her to replace the windows would
cost her "100 pound for windows plus 150 pounds for ms office plus plus plus "
or "a one stop solution with office and all you can eat applications for 50
pounds" - I installed Linux tested all drivers working, and gave it her back.
Once she got it home she was on the phone "My brother says where is
Microsoft". I told her "I offered you an alternative to MS and you said
Her responce was "oh but I thought it was still windows". I replied "if you
had looked at my website you should have seen I don't do windows".
Next day she text me "where is ms office I can't find it" I replied
OpenOffice / LibreOffice Word its fully compatible with MS Office upto 2010" I
never heard anything from her since.
We also have to support these people, even if it´s kinda difficult. They
don´t care, what´s new in Linux 3.0, they care about how they can write
a document with LibreOffice.
Of course its not how it works as long as it works!
So, the best way to break these myths is to create a
easy to use and can be understand by almost everyone.
I can do that now - install openSUSE with KDE4.6 on preconfigured laptops with
selected hardware such as Realtek wireless cards that don't need firmware or
Broadcom and install firmware via ethernet. But I don't have the funding to
buy the hardware in advance so I need to order to order at the moment.
And of course, we need the support of the major
computer companies out
Well I tried talking to Asus, HP, Brother, Epson and others at an event in
May, but they simply said that they are not interested unless its for Network
Printers making Linux support for Windows Printers isn't high on their list.
Some of the companies wouldn't even deal with me I am not big enough - don't
have enough buying power - I am dealing with Misco, RD-UK and CCS Computers /
ZooStorm at the moment but they won't stop the retail software".
Sorry, for the long post, but I was currently under way.
Hey its fine lets get everything out into the open and we can partition the
issues into working goals and then plague the companies concerned until we get
So I say we need something like the Linux Medication Taskforce and create a
cross distro taskforce:
Linux TomTom Taskforce or LinuxGarminTaskforce...
Lets target companies that use Linux on their device and get them to develop
utilities required to manage their devices.
If only we could just image the SD card with DD that would be a start to
upgrade the software.
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