Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors?
On 05/13/2011 12:19 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 05/13/2011 08:10 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea? Certainly not. This certification is pure IT sysadmin things. We want all kind of ambassadors, especially non It.
I recently met people that use openSUSE medical or can better talk about it as they use daily the software that's inside. I don't want a ask to have a decease nor be doctor to be ambassador for openSUSE Medical, no ?
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On 13 May 2011 21:01, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 12:19 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 05/13/2011 08:10 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
Certainly not. This certification is pure IT sysadmin things. We want all kind of ambassadors, especially non It.
I recently met people that use openSUSE medical or can better talk about it as they use daily the software that's inside. I don't want a ask to have a decease nor be doctor to be ambassador for openSUSE Medical, no ?
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I think this is an excellent idea! Not only does it ensure the ambassadors have the skills they need to help new openSUSE users, reducing the number of new users who have to either switch distros or OSs to get things working, but it is also a great advertisement for the certification. Also, it's great for the ambassadors to have, I'm sure most of them would go for it given the option. -- Regards, Barry D. Nichols openSUSE {Member,Ambassador} Barry@openSUSE.org Barry-Nichols on irc.freenode.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On 05/13/2011 03:10 PM, Barry Nichols wrote:
On 13 May 2011 21:01, Roger Luedecke<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 12:19 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 05/13/2011 08:10 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea? Certainly not. This certification is pure IT sysadmin things. We want all kind of ambassadors, especially non It.
I recently met people that use openSUSE medical or can better talk about it as they use daily the software that's inside. I don't want a ask to have a decease nor be doctor to be ambassador for openSUSE Medical, no ?
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I think this is an excellent idea!
Not only does it ensure the ambassadors have the skills they need to help new openSUSE users, reducing the number of new users who have to either switch distros or OSs to get things working, but it is also a great advertisement for the certification.
Also, it's great for the ambassadors to have, I'm sure most of them would go for it given the option.
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Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283 :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back. Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program. I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest. The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors. We were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor. So Roger, if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all. Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you. Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this. Pup -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be.
Hmm.. Distributing one / two books is not a bad deal indeed but I believe the Documentation manuals are pretty much what we need understand. Have a look at www.doc.opensuse.org
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Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
Yes its a great way, maybe we can share what we know on the same list to expand it to make it more educational among us. Not a troubleshooting, but say Hey!! I saw this on the net, maybe you are interested too.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors. We were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor. So Roger, if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Yes ask help, if we can we will help you as far as we can. If we cannot help or are not able to help you, we are sorry for that. Sometimes we may even reply late, after all we are all volunteers but whatever it is dont fail to ask questions. There are a lot more people who can help you possibly even more than us. Asking questions on the public list is better as you will have more people to answer questions, but dont hesitate to ask in pvt too
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
I already created a wiki page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassador_training Add everything you can figure out / want, lets make it a healthy exercise. Remember anyone can edit the wiki so enjoy :)
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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On Saturday 14 May 2011 19:19:14 Manu Gupta wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-)
jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be.
Hmm.. Distributing one / two books is not a bad deal indeed but I believe the Documentation manuals are pretty much what we need understand. Have a look at www.doc.opensuse.org
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Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
Yes its a great way, maybe we can share what we know on the same list to expand it to make it more educational among us. Not a troubleshooting, but say Hey!! I saw this on the net, maybe you are interested too.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors. We were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor. So Roger, if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Yes ask help, if we can we will help you as far as we can. If we cannot help or are not able to help you, we are sorry for that. Sometimes we may even reply late, after all we are all volunteers but whatever it is dont fail to ask questions. There are a lot more people who can help you possibly even more than us. Asking questions on the public list is better as you will have more people to answer questions, but dont hesitate to ask in pvt too
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
I already created a wiki page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassador_training
Add everything you can figure out / want, lets make it a healthy exercise. Remember anyone can edit the wiki so enjoy :)
That's the right approach! If anyone wants to help with this, make a difference - that's where and how to do it.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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There are some inherent problems with this proposal, so I'll try to make it short and bullet point the issues: 1. What you are proposing is to promote the SLE product line and its related certifications. This isn't right as it is not who we are. We are openSUSE not SLE. They have their own well-paid marketing team to handle this. To expect openSUSE Ambassadors to work for free promoting a product line that is not openSUSE is asking our ambassadors way too much. 2. I don't see Novell agreeing to this because this is a *very* expensive proposition. If you've been involved with Novell's training and certification program over the last 30 years as I have been, you'd know that this is not cheap to create and deliver. The test exam is $400 per try. (Or it was when I took it a while ago.) 3. Novell's training partners would scream bloody murder that Novell would give away the farm by giving such free incentives to openSUSE for no direct benefit to other parties. This is the livelihood of many certified Novell instructors and authorized education centers and to take away a main revenue stream like that... it won't fly. Authorized centers have already been complaining over the years that Novell gives away too much. This would add insult to injury. 4. As i stated in #1, this is not an openSUSE area. And as such, while many of our community are interested in openSUSE and in SLE, not all are. This is not an incentive that covers the full wide base of ambassador enticements. I'm all for creating a nice incentive, but this isn't the one. This would create an end-run for people who are looking for a free way to get certified and we would have to screen our ambassador program more carefully to ensure such ambassadors really are here to represent openSUSE and have earned such incentive. That means increased management overhead on our part and we just don't have the time to deal with that. I don't want to see an ambassador program where people sign up just so they can get free certiication and then disappear after that. People should be ambassadors because they're passionate about openSUSE, not for the freebies. I'm concerned that we're losing the focus of what openSUSE means, within our ambassador program. Chuck rightly points out some of the failings we are facing in an earlier posting on this thread. I also had a discussion with some members of the welcoming team yesterday to try to reorganize the team approach so that openSUSE has a better understanding of what the Project means and represents. The message is growing elsewhere in our community but seems to be failing within the ambassador program. Let's focus on that first before we start thinking about building up incentive porgrams. Bryen M Yunashko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko <suserocks@bryen.com> wrote:
There are some inherent problems with this proposal, so I'll try to make it short and bullet point the issues:
1. What you are proposing is to promote the SLE product line and its related certifications. This isn't right as it is not who we are. We are openSUSE not SLE. They have their own well-paid marketing team to handle this. To expect openSUSE Ambassadors to work for free promoting a product line that is not openSUSE is asking our ambassadors way too much.
No, what I am proposing is training everyone on how to use openSUSE, just like I did for openSUSE day at SCALE. Nothing to do with SLE. So I want to that to be clear, it something that I thought would be great to set up and offer to all, but use the ambassadors first.
2. I don't see Novell agreeing to this because this is a *very* expensive proposition. If you've been involved with Novell's training and certification program over the last 30 years as I have been, you'd know that this is not cheap to create and deliver. The test exam is $400 per try. (Or it was when I took it a while ago.)
3. Novell's training partners would scream bloody murder that Novell would give away the farm by giving such free incentives to openSUSE for no direct benefit to other parties. This is the livelihood of many certified Novell instructors and authorized education centers and to take away a main revenue stream like that... it won't fly. Authorized centers have already been complaining over the years that Novell gives away too much. This would add insult to injury.
4. As i stated in #1, this is not an openSUSE area. And as such, while many of our community are interested in openSUSE and in SLE, not all are. This is not an incentive that covers the full wide base of ambassador enticements. I'm all for creating a nice incentive, but this isn't the one. This would create an end-run for people who are looking for a free way to get certified and we would have to screen our ambassador program more carefully to ensure such ambassadors really are here to represent openSUSE and have earned such incentive. That means increased management overhead on our part and we just don't have the time to deal with that. I don't want to see an ambassador program where people sign up just so they can get free certiication and then disappear after that. People should be ambassadors because they're passionate about openSUSE, not for the freebies.
I agree, we have the best group of passionate people. Again, what I am wanting to do is a tool for the ambassadors to help, and to help our community. I want to to be clear. I got a funny feeling that some see me trying to step on people toes, which I am not. I want to set up a training on things that people want to learn on openSUSE. I got a lot good feedback. I think this would be something to add. A tool that is all, since Roger point it out. I thought now would be a good time to point this out. I had plan to do this before the death of my brother. I am not wanting to take away from the ambassadors, or take a way any ones power, or make things politically. So, please calm down. I like to put together a list of things that people like to get training on to help out. Ok. Is it clear? No need to set up a project, team or group, but if anyone wants to help, you are welcome. I have to point out one thing that been eating me this year, we talk about having fun. But anything I talk about doing something, it becomes an issues. Sorry, I come off rough, but I really am getting sick of trying to bring ideas to the table, only for some to freak out, or to see it become an issue or others steal the idea. Again, sorry, but I am a bit heated this morning.
I'm concerned that we're losing the focus of what openSUSE means, within our ambassador program. Chuck rightly points out some of the failings we are facing in an earlier posting on this thread. I also had a discussion with some members of the welcoming team yesterday to try to reorganize the team approach so that openSUSE has a better understanding of what the Project means and represents. The message is growing elsewhere in our community but seems to be failing within the ambassador program.
Let's focus on that first before we start thinking about building up incentive porgrams.
Again, I am planning to take this on myself, any are welcome to join. I don't want to change the Ambassador program. It something I am passion about and like to do. I think it will help all. So again, the training I am wanting to do is to see what people like to see on training, try to put together a list work on it, so we can educate all. So is it clear, guys on the welcoming team, relax, not trying to steal your thunder. Everyone, not trying to set up a new team. Just like to do something that can help all of us out. Pup
Bryen M Yunashko
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On 2011-05-16 Chuck wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko <suserocks@bryen.com> wrote:
There are some inherent problems with this proposal, so I'll try to make it short and bullet point the issues:
1. What you are proposing is to promote the SLE product line and its related certifications. This isn't right as it is not who we are. We are openSUSE not SLE. They have their own well-paid marketing team to handle this. To expect openSUSE Ambassadors to work for free promoting a product line that is not openSUSE is asking our ambassadors way too much.
No, what I am proposing is training everyone on how to use openSUSE, just like I did for openSUSE day at SCALE. Nothing to do with SLE. So I want to that to be clear, it something that I thought would be great to set up and offer to all, but use the ambassadors first.
2. I don't see Novell agreeing to this because this is a *very* expensive proposition. If you've been involved with Novell's training and certification program over the last 30 years as I have been, you'd know that this is not cheap to create and deliver. The test exam is $400 per try. (Or it was when I took it a while ago.)
3. Novell's training partners would scream bloody murder that Novell would give away the farm by giving such free incentives to openSUSE for no direct benefit to other parties. This is the livelihood of many certified Novell instructors and authorized education centers and to take away a main revenue stream like that... it won't fly. Authorized centers have already been complaining over the years that Novell gives away too much. This would add insult to injury.
4. As i stated in #1, this is not an openSUSE area. And as such, while many of our community are interested in openSUSE and in SLE, not all are. This is not an incentive that covers the full wide base of ambassador enticements. I'm all for creating a nice incentive, but this isn't the one. This would create an end-run for people who are looking for a free way to get certified and we would have to screen our ambassador program more carefully to ensure such ambassadors really are here to represent openSUSE and have earned such incentive. That means increased management overhead on our part and we just don't have the time to deal with that. I don't want to see an ambassador program where people sign up just so they can get free certiication and then disappear after that. People should be ambassadors because they're passionate about openSUSE, not for the freebies.
I agree, we have the best group of passionate people. Again, what I am wanting to do is a tool for the ambassadors to help, and to help our community. I want to to be clear. I got a funny feeling that some see me trying to step on people toes, which I am not. I want to set up a training on things that people want to learn on openSUSE. I got a lot good feedback. I think this would be something to add. A tool that is all, since Roger point it out. I thought now would be a good time to point this out. I had plan to do this before the death of my brother. I am not wanting to take away from the ambassadors, or take a way any ones power, or make things politically. So, please calm down. I like to put together a list of things that people like to get training on to help out. Ok. Is it clear? No need to set up a project, team or group, but if anyone wants to help, you are welcome.
I have to point out one thing that been eating me this year, we talk about having fun. But anything I talk about doing something, it becomes an issues. Sorry, I come off rough, but I really am getting sick of trying to bring ideas to the table, only for some to freak out, or to see it become an issue or others steal the idea. Again, sorry, but I am a bit heated this morning.
I'm concerned that we're losing the focus of what openSUSE means, within our ambassador program. Chuck rightly points out some of the failings we are facing in an earlier posting on this thread. I also had a discussion with some members of the welcoming team yesterday to try to reorganize the team approach so that openSUSE has a better understanding of what the Project means and represents. The message is growing elsewhere in our community but seems to be failing within the ambassador program.
Let's focus on that first before we start thinking about building up incentive porgrams.
Again, I am planning to take this on myself, any are welcome to join. I don't want to change the Ambassador program. It something I am passion about and like to do. I think it will help all. So again, the training I am wanting to do is to see what people like to see on training, try to put together a list work on it, so we can educate all. So is it clear, guys on the welcoming team, relax, not trying to steal your thunder. Everyone, not trying to set up a new team. Just like to do something that can help all of us out.
I don't think anyone would want to stop you (or anyone else) from creating some kind of training program. Some (including myself) do think it is very hard to do and personally rather put energy in something with more immediate benefits. And in this thread specifically it was suggested for Novell to do this - which indeed won't happen. But again, as I said - if you or anyone else want to do it, go ahead!
Pup
Bryen M Yunashko
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I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion. 2011/5/14 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.
'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring? We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.
The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom line? If it is please let me know. If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke to us so far and you are doing it now? We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-( So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion.
2011/5/14 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
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Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.
'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring?
We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.
The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom line? If it is please let me know. If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke to us so far and you are doing it now? We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-(
So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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Kostas Koudaras
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Kostas, I am not making any thing politically. Before everyone goes off half cock like they tend to do let me state what I am trying to say. At one point the welcoming team was suppose to ask new ambassadors to work with a mentor. This was agree upon, unless something happen while I was away. The mentors were suppose to be from the same area of the world to help. Beside sending an e-mail welcome, I find that a second e-mail should be since to a ambassador stating that Joe is now a new ambassador can you please mentor them. What I am perposing is to get a list of things that would help the ambassadors and users a like. A training courses, that can help everyone and I am hoping we can get members of the community to help write this. I am not wanting to change the Ambassador program. Is that clear? What I am wanting to do get a list of things ambassadors to start with, that would like to learn so they can better help people. We can offer these course to everyone once we get them into place. This is a big marketing and a big plus for us as a community and as ambassador. I am offer to start this because I been a teacher. I like to ask people like JDD an other who experience (Bruno, who artilce on lizard.opensuse.com) to help on this. I got a lot good response from doing the classes at SCALE, it would be great to state we have e-books and online classes to help grown the openSUSE experience. We need to get pass the handing out DVD, that great to get the software into peoples hands, but as an ambassador we are marketing, sales, and tech support for those that we interact with. So if ambassador like Roger wants help. Let get him help, be it training. Then Roger, once he gets it can tell others, that you know my community gave me help, here are the ebooks and links that help me, and you are welcome to use them. That is why I asked, again I am ask. What do people want to get trained on? As for me, yes you asked, and if you remember, I clearly said, I didn't want to be a mentor because at that time, we had someone that would reject me. And after you ask and I thought about it, I said yes, and what happen. It because a big mess because no one wanted me. So I turned it down. Now, I been ask to help on a group that at one point I thought member of, only later to find out I was that other member got it. I have a list of things I am to do and will. I want to get a podcast up running. nother of my goals this year to to set up a training program for openSUSE ( This top of my list). I have a baby coming, next year I won't be able to travel, so do what I can online and of the community. I am still want to promote as a good ambassador should do. I can say that I am working with a site to see if I can start writing for them on openSUSE. I have to give Jos (No Jos, I am not wanting your job/ or trying to talk bad) credit because one thing he been doing that I think is so great is getting everyone to writing about feature within product, but we need to work on teaching people to use our product as well. Remember, teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a life time. By training our community, we are giving them the tools to succeed So it it clear? One thing that really bugs me about community, people tend to read what they want. I wanted to send an e-mail early about this but, my life been very hard. Now that things seem to be getting better, I am going to push forward with this. Pup -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
2011/5/16 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion.
2011/5/14 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-) jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.
'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring?
We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.
The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom line? If it is please let me know. If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke to us so far and you are doing it now? We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-(
So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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Kostas Koudaras
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Kostas,
I am not making any thing politically. Before everyone goes off half cock like they tend to do let me state what I am trying to say.
At one point the welcoming team was suppose to ask new ambassadors to work with a mentor. This was agree upon, unless something happen while I was away. The mentors were suppose to be from the same area of the world to help. Beside sending an e-mail welcome,
I find that a second
e-mail should be since to a ambassador stating that Joe is now a new ambassador can you please mentor them.
If he asks for mentoring yes.
What I am perposing is to get a list of things that would help the ambassadors and users a like. A training courses, that can help everyone and I am hoping we can get members of the community to help write this. I am not wanting to change the Ambassador program. Is that clear? What I am wanting to do get a list of things ambassadors to start with, that would like to learn so they can better help people. We can offer these course to everyone once we get them into place. This is a big marketing and a big plus for us as a community and as ambassador. I am offer to start this because I been a teacher. I like to ask people like JDD an other who experience (Bruno, who artilce on lizard.opensuse.com) to help on this. I got a lot good response from doing the classes at SCALE, it would be great to state we have e-books and online classes to help grown the openSUSE experience.
I think you are missing a very important detail, or I got something wrong here. After we finish with the work on making someone ambassador we introduce him to the community by an e-mail on that list. People are welcoming new ambassadors and almost all of those people offer help if the new ambassador needs some. The next step that usually happens is the new ambassador to ask for some help/mentoring from someone, at least to me that happened many times. Those ambassadors who never asked for some kind of help means that the do not need some since they believe they can make it. Right or wrong, we cannot force someone to get help if he/she things that he/she does not need help. We have several wiki pages that contain many information, helpful advises, tools and even ready to make presentations that can help ambassadors to improve, maybe not enough but there are there, and he/she who needs help if for some reason does not want to get mentored or even help people that are doing mentoring work can use them to pass information to those who mentor (I know I do). If you think you have more things that can help ambassadors why you don't add them to those pages? It is a free project so do whatever you want but try to keep things simple and do not put people to more procedures, not many people have the time to attend online classes or read e-books. We do all that to have fun not to read endless documentation and getting to more and more procedures.
We need to get pass the handing out DVD, that great to get the software into peoples hands, but as an ambassador we are marketing, sales, and tech support for those that we interact with. So if ambassador like Roger wants help. Let get him help, be it training. Then Roger, once he gets it can tell others, that you know my community gave me help, here are the ebooks and links that help me, and you are welcome to use them.
That is why I asked, again I am ask. What do people want to get trained on?
And I ask back,people want to get trained on or simply get out there and spread the word that we have a great project? How they do that? By using their personality that is the greatest thing in this community. Various different strong personalities. They are free to ask anything they want to anyone here as I(and not only) already said a lot of times to all.
As for me, yes you asked, and if you remember, I clearly said, I didn't want to be a mentor because at that time, we had someone that would reject me. And after you ask and I thought about it, I said yes, and what happen. It because a big mess because no one wanted me.
No one? Really? Is that my new name? Now do I read what ever I want, as you say or you forget really quick? Beyond that, it is a free project and if most people does not think you are the right for a job, you have to do it their way. So I
turned it down. Now, I been ask to help on a group that at one point I thought member of, only later to find out I was that other member got it.
I have a list of things I am to do and will. I want to get a podcast up running. nother of my goals this year to to set up a training program for openSUSE ( This top of my list). I have a baby coming, next year I won't be able to travel, so do what I can online and of the community. I am still want to promote as a good ambassador should do. I can say that I am working with a site to see if I can start writing for them on openSUSE.
I have to give Jos (No Jos, I am not wanting your job/ or trying to talk bad) credit because one thing he been doing that I think is so great is getting everyone to writing about feature within product, but we need to work on teaching people to use our product as well. Remember, teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a life time. By training our community, we are giving them the tools to succeed
So it it clear? One thing that really bugs me about community, people tend to read what they want.
I wanted to send an e-mail early about this but, my life been very hard. Now that things seem to be getting better, I am going to push forward with this.
Pup
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We all want the same thing here, there is no need to fight. Being a part of a community often needs to leave our egoism back and try to do the best we can. I don't really want to fight with you, because I think you as a friend, but I think that you are a bit confused and you don't see things right at the moment. Many people made many mistakes,either we try to explain them or we are moving forward to make things better. Have Fun Kostas -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-05-17 Kostas wrote:
2011/5/16 Chuck Payne <terrorpup@gmail.com>: <snip> We all want the same thing here, there is no need to fight. Being a part of a community often needs to leave our egoism back and try to do the best we can. I don't really want to fight with you, because I think you as a friend, but I think that you are a bit confused and you don't see things right at the moment. Many people made many mistakes,either we try to explain them or we are moving forward to make things better.
I think we do just fine, and there is not even a disagreement. Chuck wants to do something - it seems others don't see a lot of value in it, but was that not true of wikipedia 10 years ago? ;-) Only think I can advice to chuck is to keep the planning minimal and work as much as possible with current materials, rather improving the wiki etc than make new things. Because of a simple reason: if you do it by improving existing materials and get halfway through your plan until the baby comes - our work will be very useful despite not being finished yet. If you write everything from scratch but never manage to finis it, it wil have been in vain. Just a suggestion ;-)
Have Fun Kostas
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