Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors?
2011/5/15 Roger Luedecke<roger.luedecke@gmail.com>:
On Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:53:05 AM you wrote:
I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion.
2011/5/14 Chuck Payne<terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit : > Precisely my thought.
if so, they will need this:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283
:-)
jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-
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Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.
'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring?
We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.
The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom line? If it is please let me know. If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke to us so far and you are doing it now? We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-(
So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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Kostas Koudaras
Certainly, but another thing that ambassador do is help new users. Training and such related to technical matters would make a much more powerful communtiy of help available to guide new users.
I agree it would be helpful, I just personally don't find it a crucial skill for an ambassador. Maybe you are right about strengthen the community, but anyway we have people solving that kind of matters ;-) Kostas Well, no not crucial. But it would be a good option for those ambassadors who
I think the biggest thing the ambassadors need to do is promote openSUSE, Linux and open source as a viable alternative to other proprietary operating systems. Think back to how you started.. what made you switch? What help did you need? What did you have to learn to get openSUSE/Linux to do what you want to do with your pc? We as ambassadors need to go out there and provide this help locally to people who do not know openSUSE/Linux exist.. Show them what it can do.. show them how easy it is.. and give them the support they no doubt will need.. For this you do not need training, just patience and time! Just my 2cts.. Jan-Bart Spang -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors? Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:45:43 -0700 From: Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> Organisation: Liberated Technologies To: opensuse-ambassadors@opensuse.org On Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:44:56 PM you wrote: think they could benefit in the things they do with the community. Perhaps there should be a seperate group of technical ambassadors or some such. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
2011/5/16 Jan-Bart Spang <jb.spang@iol.ie>:
I think the biggest thing the ambassadors need to do is promote openSUSE, Linux and open source as a viable alternative to other proprietary operating systems.
Think back to how you started.. what made you switch? What help did you need? What did you have to learn to get openSUSE/Linux to do what you want to do with your pc?
We as ambassadors need to go out there and provide this help locally to people who do not know openSUSE/Linux exist.. Show them what it can do.. show them how easy it is.. and give them the support they no doubt will need.. For this you do not need training, just patience and time!
+1 my thought exactly
Just my 2cts..
Jan-Bart Spang
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors? Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:45:43 -0700 From: Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> Organisation: Liberated Technologies To: opensuse-ambassadors@opensuse.org
On Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:44:56 PM you wrote:
2011/5/15 Roger Luedecke<roger.luedecke@gmail.com>: > On Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:53:05 AM you wrote: >> I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI >> degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about >> openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. >> How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? >> I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an >> ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) >> It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my >> opinion. >> >> 2011/5/14 Chuck Payne<terrorpup@gmail.com>: >> > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke >> > >> > <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote: >> >>> Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit : >> >>>> Precisely my thought. >> >>> >> >>> if so, they will need this: >> >>> >> >>> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283 >> >>> >> >>> :-) >> >>> >> >>> jdd >> >> >> >> I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was >> >> distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt >> >> Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. >> >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse- > > ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse- > > ambassadors+help@opensuse.org > >> > Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing >> > with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are >> > going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. >> > Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador >> > unless they could get money back. >> > >> > Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program. >> > >> > I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at >> > Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with >> > 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking >> > to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I >> > get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, >> > I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest. >> > >> > The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors. >> >> 'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? >> Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring? >> >> We >> >> > were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the >> > Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor. >> >> The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although >> I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and >> then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the >> reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? >> Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom >> line? If it is please let me know. >> If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke >> to us so far and you are doing it now? >> We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-( >> >> >> >> So Roger, >> >> > if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an >> > Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that >> > information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you >> > guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on >> > training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books >> > you can carry with you. >> > >> > Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a >> > community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we >> > can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we >> > can do this. >> > >> > >> > Pup >> > >> > -- >> > (678) 636-9678 >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup >> > openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member >> > skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup >> > freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein >> > Register Linux Userid: 155363 >> > >> > Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want >> > to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE >> > Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse- > > ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse- > > ambassadors+help@opensuse.org > >> Kostas Koudaras > > Certainly, but another thing that ambassador do is help new users. > Training and such related to technical matters would make a much more > powerful communtiy of help available to guide new users.
I agree it would be helpful, I just personally don't find it a crucial skill for an ambassador. Maybe you are right about strengthen the community, but anyway we have people solving that kind of matters ;-) Kostas
Well, no not crucial. But it would be a good option for those ambassadors who think they could benefit in the things they do with the community. Perhaps there should be a seperate group of technical ambassadors or some such. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org
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On 2011-05-15 Jan wrote:
I think the biggest thing the ambassadors need to do is promote openSUSE, Linux and open source as a viable alternative to other proprietary operating systems.
Think back to how you started.. what made you switch? What help did you need? What did you have to learn to get openSUSE/Linux to do what you want to do with your pc?
We as ambassadors need to go out there and provide this help locally to people who do not know openSUSE/Linux exist.. Show them what it can do.. show them how easy it is.. and give them the support they no doubt will need.. For this you do not need training, just patience and time!
Nah, I can see some room for training. Or at least some materials like "how to give a presentation". Some of that is actually part of the Speakers Guidelines I wrote for the openSUSE Conference (has tips and tricks on how to make a good presentation) and some of it is in the pre- made presentations we have. But having more won't hurt.
Just my 2cts..
Jan-Bart Spang
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Novell sponsored training for Ambassadors? Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:45:43 -0700 From: Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> Organisation: Liberated Technologies To: opensuse-ambassadors@opensuse.org
On Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:44:56 PM you wrote:
2011/5/15 Roger Luedecke<roger.luedecke@gmail.com>:
On Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:53:05 AM you wrote:
I don't believe that ambassadors actually need something like an LPI degree, Ambassadors are mainly marketing, Talking to people about openSUSE and act like an openSUSE evangelists. How a degree like that will actually help someone do that? I am talking from myself now but I don't see any use of that to an ambassador, a degree in PR would be much more useful I think ;-) It does not harm but it is hardly crucial to an ambassador, under my opinion.
2011/5/14 Chuck Payne<terrorpup@gmail.com>:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/13/2011 10:26 PM, jdd wrote: > Le 14/05/2011 01:12, Roger Luedecke a écrit : >> Precisely my thought. > > if so, they will need this: > > http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283 > > :-) > > jdd
I believe Novell has their own training materials. Microsoft was distributing a very good C++ book for a while through MSDN, no doubt Novell could work out a similar deal if need be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-
ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org
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Novell/Attachment I believe will not train us. After my many dealing with the Novell Sale Engineer. Many don't like the fact that we are going out there. I had a few ask why I was at a fest and not some SE. Plus, I don't think Novell/Attachment would train the Ambassador unless they could get money back.
Guys remember the Ambassador program a volunteer program.
I agree training would be nice. But, I think we need not look at Novell/Attachment but to our community. I am System Administrator with 15 years on me. I done one training class for an event. I am looking to see what it would take to set up such classes online, but until I get settle in my new job, I don't have time. But I do want to do that, I love to make the openSUSE Day a thing we could do at fest.
The Welcome Team is suppose to mentor and well other ambassadors.
'suppose' ? Does anyone has a problem with the mentoring we are doing? Does anyone disagrees that we are doing mentoring?
We
were talk about having a mentor program too, but it was agree that the Welcome Team would mentor or try to find people to mentor.
The mentoring program idea was also turned down from you too, although I had talk to you about it personally and you accepted at first and then you left me alone with the mentoring idea, and that was the reason that fell on to the welcome teams duties, am I wrong? Does all that undermining to our work from you Chuck has a bottom line? If it is please let me know. If you have a problem with the work we are doing why you haven't spoke to us so far and you are doing it now? We are suppose to be friends here and having fun, not doing politics :-(
So Roger,
if you want or need help, please ask. That goes for all.
Let do this. On this mailing list. Please everyone that is an Ambassador, write down that you like to be train on. I will take that information redo it so that we can put together a list of things you guys feell ambassador need training. Then we will start working on training. Putting things on the wiki, maybe creating PDF or e-books you can carry with you.
Novell/Attachment and soon to be SUSE are our sponsors, but we as a community need take care of each other. Lets teach each other so we can grow as a community. We have the great group people and I think we can do this.
Pup
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Kostas Koudaras
Certainly, but another thing that ambassador do is help new users. Training and such related to technical matters would make a much more powerful communtiy of help available to guide new users.
I agree it would be helpful, I just personally don't find it a crucial skill for an ambassador. Maybe you are right about strengthen the community, but anyway we have people solving that kind of matters ;-) Kostas
Well, no not crucial. But it would be a good option for those ambassadors who think they could benefit in the things they do with the community. Perhaps there should be a seperate group of technical ambassadors or some such.
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