There are some inherent problems with this proposal, so I'll try to make it short and bullet point the issues: 1. What you are proposing is to promote the SLE product line and its related certifications. This isn't right as it is not who we are. We are openSUSE not SLE. They have their own well-paid marketing team to handle this. To expect openSUSE Ambassadors to work for free promoting a product line that is not openSUSE is asking our ambassadors way too much. 2. I don't see Novell agreeing to this because this is a *very* expensive proposition. If you've been involved with Novell's training and certification program over the last 30 years as I have been, you'd know that this is not cheap to create and deliver. The test exam is $400 per try. (Or it was when I took it a while ago.) 3. Novell's training partners would scream bloody murder that Novell would give away the farm by giving such free incentives to openSUSE for no direct benefit to other parties. This is the livelihood of many certified Novell instructors and authorized education centers and to take away a main revenue stream like that... it won't fly. Authorized centers have already been complaining over the years that Novell gives away too much. This would add insult to injury. 4. As i stated in #1, this is not an openSUSE area. And as such, while many of our community are interested in openSUSE and in SLE, not all are. This is not an incentive that covers the full wide base of ambassador enticements. I'm all for creating a nice incentive, but this isn't the one. This would create an end-run for people who are looking for a free way to get certified and we would have to screen our ambassador program more carefully to ensure such ambassadors really are here to represent openSUSE and have earned such incentive. That means increased management overhead on our part and we just don't have the time to deal with that. I don't want to see an ambassador program where people sign up just so they can get free certiication and then disappear after that. People should be ambassadors because they're passionate about openSUSE, not for the freebies. I'm concerned that we're losing the focus of what openSUSE means, within our ambassador program. Chuck rightly points out some of the failings we are facing in an earlier posting on this thread. I also had a discussion with some members of the welcoming team yesterday to try to reorganize the team approach so that openSUSE has a better understanding of what the Project means and represents. The message is growing elsewhere in our community but seems to be failing within the ambassador program. Let's focus on that first before we start thinking about building up incentive porgrams. Bryen M Yunashko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help@opensuse.org