I just want to say that. I have been on the Kubuntu side for a while. They are very concerned with public image. But it's a bit of an Ubuntu thing. Even if Kubuntu is not directly affiliated with Canonical, they have this sense of "appeasing the novice user". Whenever you say or do something that they feel might scare the novice user away, they will try to shoo you. Even asking a question about the upcoming 15.10 release (due october) on the users mailing list will prompt a form of reprimand. You are sent off to the dev list, where no one responds. Because honestly it was a user question, not a dev question. I find that generally, of course, openSUSE is a much older community. Much better founded. But I also find that much more expertise exists here in this mailing list. The Kubuntu developers are small and many depend on Ubuntu for doing the right things. This being just a small offshoot makes life hard. Kubuntu has a tough time getting any form of wiki/website presence off the ground, I would say mostly for ill-understood reasons, directions, goals and intentions. Even when I like much of the ecosystem better (I mean apt and apt-get and apt-file and so on) I can only say that OpenSUSE does it way better in many many things. There is actually a community. You don't try to "convert" people as much. Kubuntu's have this sense that all Windows users must be converted. I feel you are more at peace with yourself. When I ask tough technical questions on Kubuntu list I get no answers at all. Unlike e.g. Plasma dev list, Kubuntu dev list is not high volume at all, very very low volume indeed. A rare development mail is sent now and then. So I like the peaceful attitude here. I will say again that the update process in Kubuntu is easier and faster, both from the command line perspective (apt) and the GUI perspective (KDE). The GUI updates installer is not very streamlined here. I see it is working now, it often seems to fail, I just thought it was not doing anything. I find that, if I may say such a thing here, the command line tools have better interfaces/options. I am getting used to rpm and zypper but it seems archaic and more difficult to use than apt and dpkg. Even the name "zypper" is not really pleasant. Even zipper would work out better for me, and still. "Zip" is obviously a bit difficult, but maybe I can alias it ;-). I find I am most disgruntled with openSUSE about the greenish 'scales' background that is pervasive everywhere. It is used as the background of the initrd boot thing. It is used as the background of the login screen. It is used as the background of the screensaver. It is used as the background of the desktop. And only the desktop is easy to change, to get rid of. I can't watch at the thing, I can't look at it. I try to get rid of it, even deleting some /usr/share/backgrounds or /usr/share/wallpapers thing and now I have a black screen at some places, and the other places still have it. I just don't know how to get rid of it or how to change it and it drives me nuts. I really like the OpenSUSE logo in KDE start menu and at the Grub boot prompt, that is really very well done. I think the "KDE DESKTOP" banner in the KDE menu is not very useful (at the top, in small). I have installed a different background and I wish I could use it for the login screen as well. I'm not sure about the boot thing but I want my own background for the screensaver as well. But with the "simple locker" you cannot choose yourself. Screen locking in Kubuntu has never been odd, I must say. In here, it's weird. The options don't match or don't work. I also want to use my own background for the splash screen that loads KDE. I haven't found the guts or the courage to look into that yet. In a good way, other than just, in my pain, trying to find the location of the files and deleting them. So perhaps I'm just peculiar in this but I really can't stand that background. It is really one of the most.. seriously. Kubuntu's 15.10 background is also not very good, much too colourful and in a bad way. If I'm not peculiar in this I can tell you that that background does not sell your system. Not at all. I think many people would run away from it. That's just the way it is. The fonts in KDE are also too small for someone coming from a Windows system. It is hard to see, after a while you don't notice any more but that doesn't mean the effect is gone. It is bad. I'm not so effected by it now because I'm running a Konsole full screen with large font. But most of the fonts are too small, everywhere, by default. There are a few other small gripes I have with KDE atm but I won't mention them here. Too distracting I guess. One really bad thing about KDE I want to mention. The language/keyboard selector in the system tray. You cannot change its colour, that is one bad thing. It conflicts or clashes with the theme I have and I don't see why it should not just be the same colour as the other icons. But more importantly perhaps. In a Dutch region at least in the Netherlands there are two keyboards you use: US and US International. But you cannot choose the language, in other words you cannot customize the name of the keyboard setting. So one is called "US" and the other is called "US" with a subscript of "2". That is almost impossible to see. Then, the key-combination for changing the language/keyboard is win-space, but that is a really hard combination to use/reach. Maybe after a while you get used to it. But in Windows it is left-alt + left-shift. The problem is that you cannot choose this combination in KDE. The software doesn't allow it. So this part of the experience is really bad. I am happy that the keyboard chosen is by default system-wide instead of per-application like in Windows. That is really bad in Windows, it is annoying or difficult in any case to remember which one you've chosen. But not being able to change it easily and not being able to see which one you have easily does not make it better. So Maybe I can simply "change" the key code by editing a file somewhere. Still a hack, but maybe good enough for me. Apart from that everything seems to work normally. In any case, I just wanted to relate some experiences apparently, and just tell you that I feel you are doing quite well. I feel you have a quite... maybe even a vibrant community with a sense of humour, the general atmosphere on this mailing list seems very friendly and even tolerant (weird word) with people not going up in arms over small things. In other words, a sense of peace, Like I said. Yesterday for the first time I forgot I was using Linux. That is actually quite an accomplishment and a good thing. I had been doing stuff, browsing the web, writing, writing emails, all that stuff, for so long without interruption that I forgot I was actually no longer in Windows (or whatever) and the experience was pain-free to an extent that I did not notice the system anymore. And it's really good if you don't notice the system because it means the system is getting out of the way and you can actually get some work done. So gratz for that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org