15 Jun
2014
15 Jun
'14
04:44
On 06/14/2014 11:25 PM, Tony Alfrey wrote: > Anton Aylward wrote: >> On 06/14/2014 03:03 PM, Karl Sinn wrote: >>> Am 14.06.2014 20:54, schrieb Tony Alfrey: >> >>>> What would be the appropriate command from a terminal? >>>> >>>> I assume "yast" to start, but then to install the window manager? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>> yes, open yast on the command line or the gui (yast2) as root. >>> then select: >>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_ >>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_basis >>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_office >>> + everything else you want to install >>> >>> I'm not sure if this will install everything needed, as I always choose >>> XFCE when I first install openSuSE. >>> If things are missing and you can't find them just write a message on >>> this list. >>> >>> After this you have to restart the xserver and choose XFCE for startup >>> at the loginscreen >>> >>> Karl >> >> >> Its probably simpler to run from the root prompt >> >> # zypper install patterns-openSUSE-xfce >> >> (or even patterns-openSUSE-xfce_basis. Patterns-openSUSE-xfce_laptop or >> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_office ) >> >> That way you get all the dependencies taken care of and don't have to >> fiddle around with the awkward version of yast that run in terminal mode. >> > > > I can't even get to a Terminal on the Desktop in KDE. As I move the > mouse around on the screen, all sorts of panels and windows open and > close in various pieces, piling up on top of each other. Duh ... Ctl-Alt-F1 to get a REAL tty > > I managed to reboot into Failsafe mode to get a terminal. > Commanded yast, told me I had to go get it in /sbin, cd to sbin, ran > yast, gave me a bunch of error messages about how various packages are > not installed. It can't find: > qt > ncurses > gtk > > That's pretty fundamental for a linux box. Right. First it tells me that something went wrong with your installation if they are not there. Second, it tells me that somehow it is trying to run a graphics version (gtk, qt) and fails -- obviously -- and that you haven't installed the curses package. So yast can't run in any of those modes. Which makes perfect sense. Which is why I never even try. I did say to use zypper, didn't I You don't need yast to do an install of a package. > Then in desperation tried the above zypper install of xfce. "Desperation"? > It wanted root privileges, I did that. If you had somehow got yast to work it would have wanted root privileges. After all, you're doing an install. > Then it started pulling packages from somewhere, some 301 packages > needed. It clanked along for perhaps a half hour. This is an older machine, right? > > Then I rebooted, and found a new option for xfce had appeared and > started it. > > It looks like a real window manager. Drives, directories, apps, no > silly junk, no flopping panels, no stupid distorted fonts, no silly > widgets. I suspect that you have a slower/older machine/GPU that can't handle the composting (?sp?) that the eye-candy in KDE demands. XFCE is very very lightweight. VERY. > So the simple bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with my box, or > my video card, it is KDE that is broken. Seriously broken. Not Broken. DEMANDING. KDE uses a hell of a lot of computing power and if your CPU and GPU can't deliver it then GAME OVER. > Thanks for the help in getting this xfce thing working. There are another dozen or so Dms of which many are also lightweight. Some express a particular philosophy, such as e16/e17. XFCE is the '1600 cc ford escort' where s KDE is the extended wheelbase Cadillac 12 cylinder SUV with monster wheels and glitz and power mirrors, automatic headlights ... You name it. KDE works. I mean, like, heck, we have to have something to eat up the power of our 8-core CPUs or all those electrons would just go to waste. Its not as if we _need_ anything faster than a 2008 P3 with 1G of memory. Lets face it, we can only type so fast and only read one page at a time no matter how many screen we have the GPU driving. -- The interests of society are better served by a system that encourages efficient trade activity than by one that encourages litigation. -- Amber Manx in Charles Stross's "Accerando" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org