Ok, "check", (not going to bother including everything you wrote -- there'd be no point. Other than to write "I agree". I don't think I've gotten to any solution yet. I put "en_US" in the RC_LANG. Then I upon remote login, I'm getting: -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (en_US) -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (en_US) Ishtar:law> locale locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory LANG=en_US LC_CTYPE="en_US" LC_NUMERIC="en_US" LC_TIME="en_US" LC_COLLATE="en_US" LC_MONETARY="en_US" LC_MESSAGES="en_US" LC_PAPER="en_US" LC_NAME="en_US" LC_ADDRESS="en_US" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" LC_ALL= ---- I had worked around this before with a kluge symlink in /usr/lib/locale: en_US -> en_US.utf8 but en_US -> en_US.C works 'as well' (in not giving the error message). However, this implies that the above error messages come from my "RC_LANG" not existing in /usr/lib/local (recall the advice is to set to 'en_US', no suffix, but that value "en_US" doesn't exist in /usr/lib/locale. So why aren't my env-settings getting set to en_US.utf8 before that point like everyone else's appear to be. Geez this is annoying .. Darn M5 computer -- built before utf8 existed, so it really doesn't like that...(yes, I'm crossing the metaphor beams and this could be 'bad'...:-) ). Sigh ...back to drawing board. Linda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org