Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3622 mails)

[Anders Johansson <ajh@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sunday 22 June 2008 05:24:02 Bob S wrote:
> > A new user will take it for what it is, and the core functionality is
> > there. I grant you it's not as feature rich as KDE3, but it has all the
> > core parts that a first time user will need.
>
> So, the thinking is: They are dumb newbies. They don't know any better and
> won't know the difference, That means we can give them less. Nice !

Well, which core functionality are you missing then? I'm using KDE4 and I 
haven't found anything crucial missing. A few details here and there, but 
nothing that would affect the core workings of the desktop.

Felix Miata mentioned that the konsole didn't have session management, and 
that it was missing a profile. Well, the profile doesn't require code change, 
it can be created with a few clicks of a mouse, so that could easily be done 
by a packager (or by yourself). The missing session management is deeper, but 
it's unlikely to affect new users since they don't use the command line that 
often - and to be honest, even though I do use the command line a lot, I 
didn't even know that feature existed, I always just open new windows

But that can hardly be called a core desktop functionality. If you really need 
it, KDE3 konsole is still around and can be used from the KDE4 desktop

> You mentioned previously in this thread that the 10.3 users didn't
> complain. Maybe, maybe not, but they sure asked a lot of questions. I being
> one of them, It was you that told me how to get rid of all of KDE4, of
> which the method didn't work very well.
>
> KDE4 as it was supplied for 10.3 was a horror. It interfered with KDE3 and
> had none of my favorite functionality of KDE3. Whenever you "kdesu"ed to an
> app it would bring up the KDE4 app which didn't work properly. Yes I know
> it was a early alpha or something and I know it has probably improved
> tremendously, but at the time it was just to much of a hassle, so I got rid
> of it.
>
> I have patience, When I get around to installing 11,0 in about a month or
> so, I will be using KDE 3. In 6 months or so maybe I will try KDE4 to see
> if it has finally attained the functionality that KDE 3 has presntly. There
> is nothing wrong with KDE3. It is a great sophisticated desktop.

Sure it is, but unless you can identify which features it is you need to have 
added back, it may not come. KDE4 is not just a rewrite, it's also a cleanup, 
and features that go unrequested may be ignored

> SuSE should not be in competition with  the other distros like kubuntu or
> fedora. SuSE is what it is because it is known and acclaimed to be a solid
> easily installed distro.
>
> I don't bitch and I don't moan and I understand, but IMHO you folks at
> SuSE/Novell have acted very unfairly to your user base, especially to the
> newbie converts. This needn't have been rushed. I sincerely hope it does
> not rise up and bite you in the proverbial place.

As far as I can see, the KDE devels have done an outstanding job in fixing up 
KDE4 for the 11.0 release. The kde.org version of 4.0 is much less complete, 
but in 11.0 they've added features and fixes from the 4.1 tree that solve a 
lot of problems

Anders
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