On Sunday 22 June 2008 05:24:02 Bob S wrote:
A new user will take it for what it is, and the core functionality is there. I grant you it's not as feature rich as KDE3, but it has all the core parts that a first time user will need.
So, the thinking is: They are dumb newbies. They don't know any better and won't know the difference, That means we can give them less. Nice !
Well, which core functionality are you missing then? I'm using KDE4 and I haven't found anything crucial missing. A few details here and there, but nothing that would affect the core workings of the desktop. Felix Miata mentioned that the konsole didn't have session management, and that it was missing a profile. Well, the profile doesn't require code change, it can be created with a few clicks of a mouse, so that could easily be done by a packager (or by yourself). The missing session management is deeper, but it's unlikely to affect new users since they don't use the command line that often - and to be honest, even though I do use the command line a lot, I didn't even know that feature existed, I always just open new windows But that can hardly be called a core desktop functionality. If you really need it, KDE3 konsole is still around and can be used from the KDE4 desktop
You mentioned previously in this thread that the 10.3 users didn't complain. Maybe, maybe not, but they sure asked a lot of questions. I being one of them, It was you that told me how to get rid of all of KDE4, of which the method didn't work very well.
KDE4 as it was supplied for 10.3 was a horror. It interfered with KDE3 and had none of my favorite functionality of KDE3. Whenever you "kdesu"ed to an app it would bring up the KDE4 app which didn't work properly. Yes I know it was a early alpha or something and I know it has probably improved tremendously, but at the time it was just to much of a hassle, so I got rid of it.
I have patience, When I get around to installing 11,0 in about a month or so, I will be using KDE 3. In 6 months or so maybe I will try KDE4 to see if it has finally attained the functionality that KDE 3 has presntly. There is nothing wrong with KDE3. It is a great sophisticated desktop.
Sure it is, but unless you can identify which features it is you need to have added back, it may not come. KDE4 is not just a rewrite, it's also a cleanup, and features that go unrequested may be ignored
SuSE should not be in competition with the other distros like kubuntu or fedora. SuSE is what it is because it is known and acclaimed to be a solid easily installed distro.
I don't bitch and I don't moan and I understand, but IMHO you folks at SuSE/Novell have acted very unfairly to your user base, especially to the newbie converts. This needn't have been rushed. I sincerely hope it does not rise up and bite you in the proverbial place.
As far as I can see, the KDE devels have done an outstanding job in fixing up KDE4 for the 11.0 release. The kde.org version of 4.0 is much less complete, but in 11.0 they've added features and fixes from the 4.1 tree that solve a lot of problems Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org