Hey Peepz, unfortunately lists.suse.com is dying on me. We had some hardware failure in the RAID and have power it down some time this week to fix this. We cant say yet how long it will take but we probably wont be able to serve mails during this time. On the other hand we are since some time in the process to migrate to a new mailinglist server. One with a different mailinglist manager (mlmmj instead of ezmlm) and different archiving software (mhonarc instead of hypermail). All opensuse lists already run over this server (lists.opensuse.org) and we only had small problems so far. So because we are moviung technically to a different solution we also want to sort out our list mess. Until now there is no real layout involved and the current list naming just grew over time. This brings some problems with it. For instance its not clear wich language is spoken on the list or which topic exactly is discussed. While cleaning this up we also want to move nearly all lists to the opensuse.org domain. The layout we came up with is relatively simple. Its project based. For the project foo it would look like this: foo - General list about the project foo in english foo-<lang> - General list about the project foo in <language> foo-users - Support list for the project foo in english foo-users-<lang> - Support list for the project foo in <language> foo-<topic> - List for the topic <topic> in english foo-<topic>-<lang> - List for the topic <topic> in <language> This is a layout that scales[1]. We have several projects hosted on lists.suse.com (suse, taskjuggler, packet-writing, m17n, etc.), a lot of topics (announce, support, KDE, isdn, etc.) and a lot of languages (english, german, spanish, japanese etc.) that are used on the lists. At the moment this is a mess and with the new layout we would sort this out. So i would like to use the downtime of lists.suse.com to migrate lists to the new server in the new layout. This means that suse-linux-e@suse.com would become opensuse-users@opensuse.org. There are essecntial two ways we could takle this and i want your feedback which one you would prefer. I would like to do it the followingg way: First i migrate all users to the new list and then we rename the list and move it to the new server. The new server will accept both listnames but send mails only from the new one. So mails send to suse-linux-e@suse.com will come back from the list opensuse-users@opensuse.org. After some time (3-6 months) i turn off the old listname. The setup stays the same except that the listname will change. This would mean we do both steps at once. Move the list technically and rename it. We could also split these steps up. Mails send to opensuse-users@opensuse.org would come from suse-linux@suse.com. So we do the technical part first and the renaming part later. I really would like to do it both at once. What do you think? How it would work you can test on opensuse-test@opensuse.org and suse-test@suse.com. Subscribing works with the usual addresses: opensuse-test+subscribe@opensuse.org suse-test-subscribe@opensuse.org Details on how to use the new mailinglist server i wrote up while we were migrating the opensuse lists. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-08/msg00005.html I think this is it. Im looking forward to your feedback on this matter :) Henne [1] The german list is suggesting to not do the -users list. So suse-linux becomes opensuse-de and this list would become opensuse@opensuse.org. The only thing that keeps me from doing that is that i would blow up the already established opensuse list to the size of SLE. But thinking about it this should really be a problem or? -- Henne Vogelsang, ml-admin "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)